OLDYELLOW

this is yellow :

thats red :X

was a good race how many miles to you ?

i find on natural that birds fly better when there feeding ybs solid food not milk as it sours the crop just my opinion

have one cock flown on natural thats got 3 x 3rds from 358 miles , 414 miles , 524 miles , i believe they fly better on widowhood which is how i normaly fly i thought id fly natural for a year wont be next season

Happy birthday Archie have a great day hope you get a wii today ;D ;D ;D ;D

nevers 524 miles , billericlay 186 miles

bright sunny skys at Scarborough light south west wind , perfect conditions have a good race

my reply : The fact is cuckoo don't build there own nests they rely on other birds such as thrush ectra and lay there eggs to colour of same bird , as most these birds are in serious decline then this effects the cuckoo , man has interfered with releasing high numbers of birds of prey mainly peregrine these are a countryside birds and naturaly wouldn't be in city's only by mans manipulation are they there now , now numbers are above endangered levels the protection should be lifted and left to nature .

Re: Save And Protect British Song Bird Society By burocrat basher in Talking Point Songbird Petition. I am not sure you can put all the blame on these Predators,40 or 50 years ago these Predators were around and the Song Bird Population was thriving.I think perhaps this problem is a lot more complex than you yourself and the RSPB is making of it.I wonder whether the Cuckoo issue is because of the wet Springs we have been having in recent years and their Biological/Genetic part of their Brain has chipped in and said dont go there its a waste of time.Apparantly they are still in France and as the Bird flies from Africa its not that much further to the UK. I also dont think the RSPB is correct in saying Modern Farming Methods and Sprays have affected Birds because there are areas in say South West England that engage in Pastoral Farming as has been practiced for Hundreds of years and their Song Bird numbers have fallen at the same rate as Arable areas. A combination of Magpies,Birds of Prey,Cats,wet Springs,Air Pollution by Internal Combustion Engines [ I would like to see a comparison of the number of Cars and the decline of Birds over the last 50 years, remember the canaries did'nt like the Carbon Monoxide in the Coal Mines] and perhaps some changes in Agriculture are all worthy culprits in this disaster. ===============================

if they arent no doubt they'll of starved to death not been killed by THE OTHER ORGANISATION , I TRUELY HOPE THEY BREED

a pigeon loft has to be 1 metre away from all boundarys , and as a non perminant structure does not need planning permision , but the permision to keep pigeons by a landlord does im sure if you have done a plan of house boundarys and loft ectra it should cost nothing as its an existing building in permited development i.e that of a non perminant structure hope ths helps a bit , ring and talk to the the council planners as i found they werent that up on pigeon lofts and also said it would cost me to submit planning ectra which after a few talks cost me nothing , it will only cost you planning permision if your loft is on boundarys or to close to a road , all the best Mark

welcome to pigeon basics i hope you enjoy the site

how many people have seen a king fisher or a wood pecker ? sky lark very few and there wont be here much longer the R.S.P.B , NEED TO BE BREEDING AND RELEASING THESE

wonder if these pictures could be put on other site ?

reply : the evidence is out there for all to see , the cuck-coo has been put on the endangered list , there are less wild birds in gardens , yet the R.S.P.B , still continue to release more bop into the enviroment , all we want is natures ballance put be put back in order as man has medaled with it , many species such as the cuck-coo wont be here much longer and the other song birds will soon be in great danger , peregrine falcons belong on cliffs and natural quarys not on man made structures such as churches , these have been put there to rid ferial pigeons such as you see in town but the problem lies in the behaviour of ferial pigeons these fly low and in and out of building and arent easily caught so the use of peregrines on ferial pigeons is uneffective , we arent out to have a huge cull on b.o.p we want to save our British birds from extinction , and the other bodies blame everything apart Birds Of Prey . seems theres lots of bop lovers cant like song birds much

seems a few are blinkered anyone want to debate with this lot : Dear oldyellow, You are subscribed to the thread "Save and Protect British Songbird Society" by oldyellow, there have been 33 post(s) to this thread, the last poster was bobbarber. http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society.html These following posts were made to the thread: ************ Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503791.html#post503791 Posted by: oldyellow On: 29-06-2009 11:33 AM Please forward this on to everyone in your contacts list and sign the petition at the link below. This issue is something that will affect us all in the future, either directly or indirectly, whether you do/or do not, have an interest in the wildlife of Great Britain and Europe. Save and Protect British Songbird Society Due to gross mismanagement by the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB) we have seen a catastrophic decline in our native British song bird populations in the last three decades, the latest such casualty being the essentially 'British' cuckoo which has now been added to the endangered list. The major cause of this decline has been the overpopulation of the sparrow hawk, goshawk and peregrine falcon, permitted by the protection policy of the RSPB together with its persistent 'seeding' of peregrines in major cities throughout the country. These birds have no natural predator other than man, and must be controlled to protect our songbirds. We therefore ask the government, the RSPB and its Patroness her majesty the Queen to remove these predators from the endangered lists. NB. Parliament's Private Member's Bill of 1954 (Lady Tweedsmuir) promised to lift protection of these raptors after five years. That promise has been reneged on for well over fifty years now. Check it out on this link: http://www.england-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1954/pdf/ukpga_19540030_en.pdf Please sign The Petition Save and Protect British Song birds Society Petition : [ powered by iPetitions.com ] (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/SAPBSBS/) Thank you in anticipation for your support on behalf of Save and Protect British Songbird Society ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503798.html#post503798 Posted by: Adam Cheeseman On: 29-06-2009 11:51 AM Not on your nelly. I'm not supporting this bunch. Cheers, Adam ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503806.html#post503806 Posted by: valleyforge On: 29-06-2009 12:04 PM Call me an old cynic if you will, but it seems to me that this crowd are possibly much more interested in shooting, snaring, and poisoning raptors, squirrels, and mustelids than in protecting song birds. Scratch beneath the surface veneer of 'conservationists' and you inevitably find someone hoping to profit, usually not too indirectly linked to the profitable business of gamebird shooting! ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503819.html#post503819 Posted by: NJP87 On: 29-06-2009 12:17 PM ---Quote (Originally by oldyellow)--- Thank you in anticipation for your support on behalf of Save and Protect British Songbird Society ---End Quote--- I don't think your going to get many supporters on here, or anywhere else hopefully. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503824.html#post503824 Posted by: Jonners On: 29-06-2009 12:22 PM Googled this thread title and found some links to pigeon racing groups! Ah, now we know where you're coming from ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503826.html#post503826 Posted by: Biomotors On: 29-06-2009 12:25 PM It doesn't actually seem to be from a genuine society at all, but from some racing pigeon enthusiasts. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503842.html#post503842 Posted by: valleyforge On: 29-06-2009 12:52 PM Here's the link to the forum where oldyellow is a moderator, and where their dasterdly plans can be revealed to all: Save And Protect British Song Birds Society - Forum | Pigeonbascs.com - Pigeon racing the basics... (http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1246183959/) Just a thought, but maybe we should counter petition the government to include pigeon racing under the Abandonment of Animals Act. After all, if they didn't transport their birds (who after all only want to be at home in their lofts) hundreds of miles away and then release them in unfamiliar territory, they would lose far fewer to their natural predators and to other environmental factors. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503857.html#post503857 Posted by: vole-woman On: 29-06-2009 01:37 PM So what this original post actually means is: We're occasionally losing our racing pigeons to raptors. Please can we therefore get the raptors culled? What a flaming cheek! ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503863.html#post503863 Posted by: Jonners On: 29-06-2009 01:41 PM ---Quote (Originally by vole-woman)--- So what this original post actually means is: We're occasionally losing our racing pigeons to raptors. Please can we therefore get the raptors culled? What a flaming cheek! ---End Quote--- ... cos they never die from colliding with cars, exhaustion or getting lost etc do they? ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503866.html#post503866 Posted by: Jason Green On: 29-06-2009 01:49 PM I agree with all the sentiments here about the way this group use the decline of songbirds as a platform to air their hope of a raptor cull - because they blame birds such as the peregrine falcon for the loss of racing pigeons. I will therefor not be signing. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503903.html#post503903 Posted by: Fieldfare95 On: 29-06-2009 03:36 PM It is wrong to say that the decline of the cuckoo is due to an increase of birds of prey that take their host birds. The hawks only increase if the songbirds increase. I will not be signing. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503948.html#post503948 Posted by: The Woodman On: 29-06-2009 04:23 PM "Due to gross mismanagement by the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB)" ....&c It appears that the RSPB have been given a God like status and are deemed responsible for managing Britains bird population. The pigeon racing fraternity may even be saving songbirds with their acitivities i.e. providing raptors with an easier meal. Raptors have as much right as any other bird to use the skies and long may they enjoy pursuing their quarries, songbirds and pigeons alike. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503969.html#post503969 Posted by: James M On: 29-06-2009 04:40 PM Nah I think I'll pass thanks ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503986.html#post503986 Posted by: Jenny W On: 29-06-2009 05:00 PM The original post on this thread obviously doesn't have much of a grasp of basic ecological principles and of conservation issues (changing agricultural practices/habitat destruction etc.)! ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503987.html#post503987 Posted by: Jason Green On: 29-06-2009 05:01 PM Sad reading... Save and Protect British Song birds Society Petition : [ powered by iPetitions.com ] (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/SAPBSBS/signatures-1.html) These people are being misled. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503989.html#post503989 Posted by: James M On: 29-06-2009 05:05 PM ---Quote (Originally by Jason Green)--- Sad reading... Save and Protect British Song birds Society Petition : [ powered by iPetitions.com ] (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/SAPBSBS/signatures-1.html) These people are being misled. ---End Quote--- Oh dear, it is sad to see people misled like that . As petitions go 85 isn't very many though, hopefully there won't be many more. Edit: *gulp* 666 :eek: ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post503992.html#post503992 Posted by: Biomotors On: 29-06-2009 05:13 PM And I don't think anyone in government would take a petition from what appears to be a bogus society seriously anyway. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504013.html#post504013 Posted by: dunlin On: 29-06-2009 05:36 PM I dont think the decline in song birds is down to birds of prey, there are many factors to take into account climate change loss of habitat etc As for culling birds of prey i dont think your going to get any votes on here. I cant think of any thing more awe inspiring and exciting as seeing a peregrine in flight chasing its quarry Try watching wild birds instead of racing pigeons you may get to like it best regards mark..... ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504068.html#post504068 Posted by: James M On: 29-06-2009 06:42 PM ---Quote (Originally by Biomotors)--- And I don't think anyone in government would take a petition from what appears to be a bogus society seriously anyway. ---End Quote--- Yes that's probably true thankfully! ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504069.html#post504069 Posted by: aeshna5 On: 29-06-2009 06:42 PM What utter rubbish propogated by the OP! Don't think many here will be fooled by this nonsense! ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504086.html#post504086 Posted by: Biomotors On: 29-06-2009 06:58 PM ---Quote (Originally by James M)--- Yes that's probably true thankfully! ---End Quote--- Then again, you should have seen some of the nutters on my European election form!:eek: ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504109.html#post504109 Posted by: Gill Catton On: 29-06-2009 07:20 PM Awful awful people..... ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504123.html#post504123 Posted by: Dogghound On: 29-06-2009 07:40 PM OH DEAR! Get educated on how an ecosystem evolves, how species interact and how population dynamics work. BOP of prey numbers are lower than what they where in the past when predator and prey thrived. I do alot of work for the RSPB and you seem to get afew people that really dont have a clue slating birds of prey. What happens when the diseased and old birds arnt taken from the gene pool and continue to breed? how do you think this affects the prey population genetics? because 9 times out of ten thats what a predator takes, leaving a more healthy population. Natural predators do exist as some BOP will feed on others, as well as illegal shooting, poison, shortages of prey, hard winters, lack of habitat and disease all affect populations as it is without ill educated ideas like this. Out of all the best birding sites I visit the ones with a variety of birds of prey are the ones with greater songbird abundance and diversity. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504124.html#post504124 Posted by: Paul mabbott On: 29-06-2009 07:46 PM Unbelievable! I suspect that this is one of the particularly nutty subgroups within the Countryside Alliance - "whatever it is, we want to kill it"! Is there any way of tracing the origin of this mail? ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504127.html#post504127 Posted by: Paul mabbott On: 29-06-2009 07:57 PM ---Quote (Originally by Jonners)--- Googled this thread title and found some links to pigeon racing groups! Ah, now we know where you're coming from ---End Quote--- I had a damaged (i.e. couldn't fly) racing pigeon land in my garden. I had no real idea whether it was a temporary injury or a permanent one. Had it been a wild beast I would have been inclined to either wring its neck or leave it to local predators. Since the local predators were mainly domestic cats I thought I'd try to 'save' it. RSPCA and other organisations didn't want to know but put me on to the pigeon racing organisation to whom I quoted the ring number. I was given the name and phone number of the owner. When I phoned him he really didn't want to know - you could tell that what he wanted to say was, 'flush it down the toilet' or some such but when I suggested that if he didn't come and get it, I would drop it off at the local police station along with his name, address .... So he drove the forty or so miles and took the animal which I don't suppose lived until the bottom of our road but I felt better for causing him some distress since he clearly had not the slightest concern for *his* animal. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504133.html#post504133 Posted by: NJP87 On: 29-06-2009 08:06 PM Just had a look at some of the replies to the petition and some/all of the comments are absolutley absurd, i want to write a comment on there but that will add to their petition numbers ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504146.html#post504146 Posted by: Biomotors On: 29-06-2009 08:19 PM I believe Michael Mouse and David Duck sign quite a few petitions and add quite a touch of credibility.... Seriously though, we do ourselves harm in being negative about pigeon racers in general. I am sure there are plenty who love their animals, and are justly upset at their animals being taken on the wing by raptors. It is just this bogus petition that we should be rightly critical of. ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504163.html#post504163 Posted by: stigofthedump On: 29-06-2009 08:41 PM ---Quote (Originally by oldyellow)--- Please forward this on to everyone in your contacts list and sign the petition at the link below. This issue is something that will affect us all in the future, either directly or indirectly, whether you do/or do not, have an interest in the wildlife of Great Britain and Europe. Save and Protect British Songbird Society Due to gross mismanagement by the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB) we have seen a catastrophic decline in our native British song bird populations in the last three decades, the latest such casualty being the essentially 'British' cuckoo which has now been added to the endangered list. The major cause of this decline has been the overpopulation of the sparrow hawk, goshawk and peregrine falcon, permitted by the protection policy of the RSPB together with its persistent 'seeding' of peregrines in major cities throughout the country. These birds have no natural predator other than man, and must be controlled to protect our songbirds. We therefore ask the government, the RSPB and its Patroness her majesty the Queen to remove these predators from the endangered lists. NB. Parliament's Private Member's Bill of 1954 (Lady Tweedsmuir) promised to lift protection of these raptors after five years. That promise has been reneged on for well over fifty years now. Check it out on this link: http://www.england-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1954/pdf/ukpga_19540030_en.pdf Please sign The Petition Save and Protect British Song birds Society Petition : [ powered by iPetitions.com ] (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/SAPBSBS/) Thank you in anticipation for your support on behalf of Save and Protect British Songbird Society ---End Quote--- Balderdash! Take your petition elsewhere....I for one wish you no luck whatsoever. Vince ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504167.html#post504167 Posted by: balkantrek On: 29-06-2009 08:44 PM What an underhand and unpleasant group hiding behind the bogus cover of caring about songbirds and the ecology of the countryside. Next thing we will be seeing is some hunting/shooting group forming some similarly bogus 'butterfly society' claiming the decline in rare and beautiful British and European butterflies is because songbirds are eating them and their caterpillars. They will be making a petition to demand the right to shoot and cull songbirds! ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504183.html#post504183 Posted by: kiltoncomp On: 29-06-2009 08:59 PM ---Quote (Originally by Paul mabbott)--- I had a damaged (i.e. couldn't fly) racing pigeon land in my garden. I had no real idea whether it was a temporary injury or a permanent one. Had it been a wild beast I would have been inclined to either wring its neck or leave it to local predators. Since the local predators were mainly domestic cats I thought I'd try to 'save' it. RSPCA and other organisations didn't want to know but put me on to the pigeon racing organisation to whom I quoted the ring number. I was given the name and phone number of the owner. When I phoned him he really didn't want to know - you could tell that what he wanted to say was, 'flush it down the toilet' or some such but when I suggested that if he didn't come and get it, I would drop it off at the local police station along with his name, address .... So he drove the forty or so miles and took the animal which I don't suppose lived until the bottom of our road but I felt better for causing him some distress since he clearly had not the slightest concern for *his* animal. ---End Quote--- chances are that if you had kept the bird for, say a couple of weeks, until it recovered and then released it to find its way home, it would have promptly had its neck rung. as a slow/late bird is "of no use" to a pigeon racer:( ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504279.html#post504279 Posted by: ExiledWool On: 29-06-2009 10:56 PM Are these people the BNP of conservationists? ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-post504295.html#post504295 Posted by: Ukwildlifeo On: 29-06-2009 11:14 PM ---Quote (Originally by Jonners)--- ... cos they never die from colliding with cars, exhaustion or getting lost etc do they? ---End Quote--- Not to mention the 100s and 1000s that didn't bother going home and now inhabit our town centres I think I know which species is the problem! I find it amusing and alarming that these people can't grasp a concept I teach children - or perhaps they do but dont want folks to know the truth.... ************ Re: Save and Protect British Songbird Society http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/british-birds/56128-save-and-protect-british-songbird-society-2.html#post504314 Posted by: bobbarber On: 30-06-2009 12:24 AM I have a feeling that oldyellow is going to be one of those first time posters we never hear of again (hopefully). Is the Countryside Alliance still employing Dr. Goerbells as its principal propagandist?...Bob All the best, Wild About Britain ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unsubscription information: To unsubscribe from this thread, please visit this page: http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/forums/subscription.php?do=removesubscription&type=thread&subscriptionid=250510&auth=98ec1dc0c7d00c6be5019c6dc02b4bab

yup more of a open collective as everyone who passes the mesage are important to help our cause to elievate the problems the bops have every day on all birds

i dont want any control im happy to help in anyway ill let Chris run with it as he has all fanciers intrest at heart and not been dominated by pigeons will make the campaign appeal to all not a few

ill sift through after a week i think then have a rethink where to send the message more if two get same email wont hurt non

NPA done also

they also email new threads to members that have new topics ticked so will hit loads of people

cheers both of you also on here done : http://www.fwi.co.uk/community/forums/p/32498/123135.aspx#123135

http://www.nfuonline.com/x343.xml can someone who likes typing fill that out i cant copy and paste

got game keepers signing it already