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sorry to hear that one s,j irvine [know the feeling] felt the same with sir colin [pased away 2 years ago] 1st region 2cnd national nantes 605 miles also 12 sect 25th open nantes nat. and another two top pos, sartilly 505 miles [he had his wing broken at 4 years old] finished racing at that, also felt the same when a meally hen was 12 sect nantes 605 miles, then burned in an accidental transporter fire

i think it sporting to give credit to ch pd who came so close ,

done this quite successfull myself on a few occasions ,,to other folks birds ;D ;D sometimes needed to do twice ,, bird perfect next day

lets hope you get some replies robert ,,

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theres not much point putting them on darkness if their bred really early,,as its naturaly dark , but these early bred birds are usually not trained till about 7 months old .. so its really like training late late breds ,, so for yb s on darkness middle of feb is early enough [and put straight on darkness] given normal daylight on the longest day,, these birds should complete their second moult ok [and trained when 10, 12 weeks old, short distances ]b4 real training starts

another theorie ,,,money is the route of all evil :) [but i wish i had some ;D]

i had a feral for 10 years,, reared many many winners [fostered] this bird had fallen out the nest under a bridge in belg ,, when at the leir market ,,,this bird never had a days illness and brought up perfect yb,s every time [and reared plenty ] i beleive if the ferals survive the yb stage [which many dont] they have far more imunity than our own" treated" birds.

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well done stuart willcox and well done ferry ,,, great going both of you good for willcox ,,good for ferry,,,, and good for pigeon basics so what more can we ask ,,,,,,,,

just shifted it ,,itll now go to the top

top class gesture mac

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theres more information there,, simple info,, than in some of the latest books cd,s etc

welcome back wiley,, ;D ;D ;D

very well done beanz ,congratulations

ornithosis causes and clinical signs,,,,,ornithoses is caused by a micra-organism called clamidia. it is susceptible to anti biotics like bacteria but lives within and destroys body cells like a virus. clinical signs vary from poor performanceto acute disease causing a marked conjunctivitis, decreased appetite, respiratory disease, diarrhoea and death, the acute form is particularly prevelant in yb,s and older birds under stress. in some cases the conjunctivitis can lead to secondry bacterial infection of the eye causing blindness. recovery birds are likely to carry the disease ans subsequently spread it to other birds diagnosis; of this disease in the live bird is difficult and must rely heavily on clinical symtoms present. blood tests will identify birds that have been exposed to the organism but a good indication of the present diseasestatus. where dead birds are available, samples of liver or spleen can give a positive diagnosis in the laboratory. the disease needs to be DISTINGUISHED FROM MYCOPLASMA INFECTION, HAEMOPHYLUS INFECTION AND ONE "EYED COLD" THERE IS A DANGER OF THIS INFECTION BEING TRANSMITTED TO MAN. PIGEON FANCIERS WHO SUFFER FROM A PROLONGED FLU LIKE DISEASE ARE RECOMMENDE TO SEE THEIRDOCTOR WHO SHOULD BE AWARE OF THEIRCONTACT WITH PIGEONS. WHERE CASES ARE DIAGNOSED IN PIGEONS THE MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE MUST BE INFORMED. treatment; because of the danger to humans infection , the risk to yb,s and the fact that chronically infected birds are more prone to other diseases, the treatment of affected birds with CHLOROTETRACYCLINE for an adequate period is essential. treatment lengths of 30 to 60 days would be recommended . the use of multivits may also be advised. this is a page taken out the sandhills vets services on pigeon care ,, BUT DONT BE FRIGHTENED OF THIS , AS THIS IS THE WORST SCENARIO,,,,IT COULD QUITE POSSIBLY BE A BAD DOSE OF MYCOPLASMA [RESPIRATORY], WHICH COULD EASILY BE SORTED OUT AND HELPED IN THE FUTURE ,, so heres hoping your test kit prooves us all wrong and its a touch of respiratory,, i dont mean to frighten you , but giving it straight as printed ,,so as bruno says, patience, the right diagnosis ,,,,the right treatment ,,,,,, this may also help others with the same problem that are not as brave as you in putting it up on the board ,,really wish you well debbie, and hopefully a happy outcome

excactly that shadow,,, disgusting certain ones make it some" sport"