If am right, mountmarle Prince Ivor won Nat in 89, They sent him back the next year and a think he took another position, then am not sure what happened but Tam had to put him down, said it was one of the hardest decisions he made. Another pigeon for them that had a fantastic performance was a check cock Houdini, think he was 5th or 6th National, Davy retained him from their sale, if am right a rat got into the loft at the new location and Houdini was the only bird that it got and a think their was about 30 birds in that end.