Human Rights

[Guest TAMMY_1]

AGREE ON WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU TOUCH ON ROLAND AND I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED IN JAIL, HOLIDAY CAMP, IF I WAS IN CHARGE OF RUNNING A JAIL, CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT, THEY WOULD SPEND ALL THE TIME IN THE CELL EXCEPT OUT TO WASH AND USE THE TOILET AND THAT WOULD BE IT AND THEY WOULD BE FED IN THE CELL AND IF THEY WANTED EXERCISE THEY COULD WALK ROUND THE CELL AS LONG AS THEY WANTED, THEY WOULD HAVE NO TELLY'S POOL TABLES  NOTHING AT ALL THEY ARE IN THERE TO BE PUNISHED FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE NOT PAMPERED,  KNOW ANY PRISONS LOOOKING FOR A WARDEN

[Roland]

i KNOW STRAW IN CORNERS AND IF THEY WANTED TO WIPE THEIR EXCREMENT ON THE WALLS FINE.... a CONVEYOR belt that take the sqill down twice a day ... hunger strike fine... if not quick enuf Tuf. And a cold hose for washing drinking etc.

And as for courts.... Well if they said 'What do you expect I was stoed and so high I was on Venus... Then it's 5 years extra for being stoned and on Venus! s

[Guest]

Well now we get a bit personal. As one who has spent 7 days on remand in the Bar L (HMP Barlinnie, Glasgow], 4 of them in the prison hospital without treatment for wounds [slashed about the face, neck and ear with a kitchen knife]  the previous three posts don't have a scoobie about conditions in prisons.

 

Being on remand you are still technically innocent. Although innocent my Lock-down was the same as the others - 23 hours per day. Exercise was within the ground floor well of the Block, except for me and the other remands. 'Trustys' were allowed outside in two's in the courtyard, but were not allowed to stand still - they had to keep moving all the time they were out there. You ate what you got offered, always out of a micro-dish, in your cell, with a spoon. And yes, you were given a nice potty. And part of my mental training to keep sane there was refusing to use it and waiting for my once a day visit [mornings] to the toilet block, where if you were lucky, you could also get a quick wash, if splashing your face with cold water can be called that. . If the Jannie was in a bad mood, nae time for even that.

 

I'm all for personal opinions - but at least make them informed opinions, either informed by facts, or by experience..  

[Guest TAMMY_1]

WELL BRUNO MY EXPERIENCE OF JAIL IS NIL AND I INTEND TO KEEP IT THAT WAY BY OBEYING THE LAW AND I STAND BY WHAT I SAY IF YOU ARE SENT TO JAIL YOU SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS EXCEPT WASH AND USE THE TOILET YOU ARE THERE TO BE PUNISHED NOT MOLLYCODDLED , SO ONLY PEOPLE ON THE FORUM WHO HAVE BEEN IN JAIL CAN OFFER FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, SO IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR MOST OF US TO TALK ABOUT FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF JAIL CONDITIONS AS WE HAVE NOT BEEN THERE, AND OUR OPINIONS ON THIS ARE ONLY WHAT WE FEEL THE CONDITIONS SHOULD BE LIKE

[Roland]

Wel Bruno you A. wasn't unfortunately serving time proper.... As I can assure you that out time is vastly longer than intime, and that's counting time your asleep. Recreation is just that, then work shops, libuaries etc. etc..... obviously commonsense will dictate to you and any one else that all that is done in an hour! Must have been pre 60's when you went in mucker, for you surely know nowt as of now!

[Guest]

Wel Bruno you A. wasn't unfortunately serving time proper.... As I can assure you that out time is vastly longer than intime, and that's counting time your asleep. Recreation is just that, then work shops, libuaries etc. etc..... obviously commonsense will dictate to you and any one else that all that is done in an hour! Must have been pre 60's when you went in mucker, for you surely know nowt as of now!

 

Pre 1960 I was 10 years old. The experience I related happened in 1997. Then as now, I know what I experienced is far removed from the holiday camp you try to paint, which incidently, is a carbon copy of the Tories one too, when they are on their Law & Order bandwagon, basically trying to drum up scum vote.

 

The other thing you seem not to know is that the punishment for the crime is actually being sent to prison - denied freedom -  the person isn't sent to prison to be punished [again] there too.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Do you honestly think Bruno if you send someone to jail and deny them their freedom that is them being punished, I certainly don't because a lot of them just look on this as a holiday camp because thats what it is for a lot of them ,and why would depriving them of playtime and telly  and recreation time  be seen as punishing them again, as I said before if you are a criminal and convicted of a crime and sent to jail you should get nothing except the basics.And nothing you or anybody else may say will alter my thoughts on this

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Remember that gays can read this site and will find you comments offensive; were your remarks regarding barbwire, wet hands and plugs ment to turn them on?

 

Rory

we have a gay partnership in our fed they are top flyers and very hard to beat on their day and a niceir pair of flyers you couldnt meet and are allways the 1st to offer help if needed so i agree pigeon sites can do with out homophobic remarks plus its now regarded as a hate crime

 

 

[Guest]

Do you honestly think Bruno if you send someone to jail and deny them their freedom that is them being punished, I certainly don't because a lot of them just look on this as a holiday camp because thats what it is for a lot of them ,and why would depriving them of playtime and telly  and recreation time  be seen as punishing them again, as I said before if you are a criminal and convicted of a crime and sent to jail you should get nothing except the basics.And nothing you or anybody else may say will alter my thoughts on this

 

 

My point is just that - it is nothing but the basics. And incidently, I didn't break any law. I was attacked and slashed with a knife and I ended up on remand charged with attempted murder .. for disarming the person, and defending myself. The charge was reduced to assault, and I was found not guilty.

 

Roland talks about libraries ... what a bloody laugh, most of the people I met inside could barely read, and when they did it was the likes of the sun and the daily record, and they were even hard pressed there.

 

Agree wholeheartedly with punishment for crime. What I don't agree with is the portrayal of prisons as holiday camps, and more punishment when they're inside. They're there because they deserve to be, but they also deserve some sort of 'effort' on them while they're there to make sure when they get out again, they won't be back. Just now you might as well fit the prisons with revolving doors, out and straight back in.

 

 

 

[Guest WINGS 04]

I THINK NOT ALL THE PPL IN PRISON ARE BAD BUT TO GIVE JUNKIES MONEY FOR BEING JUNKIES IS ALL WRONG

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I THINK NOT ALL THE PPL IN PRISON ARE BAD BUT TO GIVE JUNKIES MONEY FOR BEING JUNKIES IS ALL WRONG

 

NO MUCH BETTER ON OUTSIDE RAB BECAUSE THE SOCIAL GIES ALKIES MONEY TO BUY DRINK

[blackjack]

Sir my comment was not racist just factual i work with people of all colours ask them if im racist .

[Guest]

You can blame the Voters of Nelson and Colne in Lancashire for voting Sidney Silverman MP out or we may still have had a death penalty

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Remember that gays can read this site and will find you comments offensive; were your remarks regarding barbwire, wet hands and plugs ment to turn them on?

 

Rory

we have a gay partnership in our fed they are top flyers and very hard to beat on their day and a niceir pair of flyers you couldnt meet and are allways the 1st to offer help if needed so i agree pigeon sites can do with out homophobic remarks plus its now regarded as a hate crime

 

 

I NEVER HAVE OR WILL  BE RACIST OR HOMOPHOBIC     PLEASE DONT TAR ME WITH THAT BRUSH

[Guest]

we have a gay partnership in our fed they are top flyers and very hard to beat on their day and a niceir pair of flyers you couldnt meet and are allways the 1st to offer help if needed so i agree pigeon sites can do with out homophobic remarks plus its now regarded as a hate crime

 

 

I NEVER HAVE OR WILL  BE RACIST OR HOMOPHOBIC     PLEASE DONT TAR ME WITH THAT BRUSH

your never away from st clair st chipshop :D

 

[Roland]

Same here ,

And Bruno I have been imprisoned twice.... got promoted holiday, was suppose to be at Butlins holiday camp, and prison is a darn site easier.

And if your good, you get promoted  to an open prison... or your a 'Name Crook' like Archer.

lOCK UP IS 10 ... WELL time we finish our games it's  nearer 1/2 past. Called for breakfast between 7 30 and 8 00 or you may stay in the room or go where ever. Shut up 9 till 11 max whilst dinner is prepared etc. and that's on a bad day. Then shut up is for another hour whilst tea.... Then lock up at 10... That is the fact. If the screws are in a good mood longe out... Only reason for  lock up in day time is for cleaning or preparing purposes.

In the mean time you have rcreation, games, phone access,  So called work classes, or whatever you like, that's a fact, done it twice... Admitted only for a week .. Second time round I purposely missed a day of surrender to do extra time, a week -end, because you can only be released on Fridays and Mondays.

My crime, refusing to tax my cars and protests that less than 20% actually gos to repair, biuld new roads etc. the other into Goverment coffers ... like the forced Council house sales that weren't allowed to go back to the council... remeber before she put up the intrest rates so high and thre them out of work ... Yes ok so her muckers could buy up the property cheap.

Any Bruno don't class prison with remand, two completely seperate rules and codes.

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TRUE COCKMAN   BUT ITS YOUR *expletive removed* HE IS GETTING    I HAVE SOME GOOD FRIENDS WHO ARE GAY  (HOW YOU DOING BAMMY 1)  

ALL JOKING ASIDE THIS IT NOT THE PLACE TO BE PREJUDICIAL  

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I JUST TOOK A WEE WHILE TO LOOK AT THE START OF THIS THREAD  POOR ROLAND SEEMS TO BE VILLAFIED FOR DOWN TALKING GAYS BY HYACINTH    I CANT SEE ANY POSTS OF ROLANDS BASHING GAYS BEFORE HYACINTH SLAGGED HIM OFF       PM MAYBE

[Guest]

It's been removed (NOT BY ME) as there was some bad language in it

[carl]

IS THIS NOT A PIGEON WEBSITE CHILDREN,ITS JUST I VISIT THIS SITE TO READ PIGEONS AS DO MANY OTHERS OLD AND YOUNG,PEOPLE THAT DONT WANT TO HERE THIS RUBBISH.

 

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LINDA    I GUESS ROLAND WAS OUT OF ORDER     SORRY FOR THAT    NO HARD FEELINGS

[Guest]

None whatsoever

[Guest]

Sir my comment was not racist just factual i work with people of all colours ask them if im racist .

 

 

 

Hi, I worked in Racial Equality for a few months myself. I removed one word from your post, a colour. Basically you said: "government doesn't care about * working class people". Wouldn't recommend repeating your post to the people you work with.

[Guest]

I JUST TOOK A WEE WHILE TO LOOK AT THE START OF THIS THREAD  POOR ROLAND SEEMS TO BE VILLAFIED FOR DOWN TALKING GAYS BY HYACINTH    I CANT SEE ANY POSTS OF ROLANDS BASHING GAYS BEFORE HYACINTH SLAGGED HIM OFF       PM MAYBE

 

There was only two posts removed, one by Roland, and a reply to it by Tammy in which Tammy complained Roland's post wasn't fit for general view [given that this was an open forum]. The post was both written in offensive language and homophobic. There was also the mistaken belief that posts referring to electric wire attachments were also aimed at this group. Refer to original post for correction.

 

The thread has turned away from being homophobic back to a discussion of human rights of various minority groups and seems to be reasonably balanced.

 

The only thing that is missing for me is the [newspaper?] report which gave rise to the thread, and who got paid what for what!  ;D

[Sean]

It's about time this was locked thread before it get's out of control. {own opinion}

 

would like to point out that their is gay member's on this site to who i talk to most day's.Wounder how their feel when reading what's been said.?

 

will be contacting webmaster to recomend that this be locked thread.