SHU AND RPRA MEETING TODAY IN GRETNA

[THE FIFER]

 

Well not sure how your rules work up there but I think down here something like that would have to be done at the agm any important decisions like your club changing to a different fed should be done prior to the agm so if you dont want to join you can resign out of the club  

 

yes its the same here if u want to resign you do so at the agm and before the election of officials for the following year, they didnt resign and also took part in the agm election of officials and following years data, so were members for that year and due their fees.

[THE FIFER]

Thats whats hapened fifer but the outcome didnt suit some so why do you keep going on about it sort it out one way or other your words fifer its sorted but ill bet the shu wont let it go

 

but surely its the rpra that should be meeting with the shu not a region,

 

 

[me]

 

Do you mean the clubs pulled out of being shu members after the agm and decided to join the rpra

 

It was common knowledge Rose that a large number of the fife lads were no longer willing to be members of the Shu and a compromise was required and unfortunately it could not be reached but I say again. How much does a ring cost? because that what it amounts to. If people are not able to fly their birds in a club exactly how are they costing a club (or fed) money. So how much does a ring cost 25p? x how many? 100 members say. How many rings each 35 say? thats a grand total of £875. The same  "organistions" have received TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS free gratis from public funds!

 

A i say we need a bit of prespective here!

 

 

[THE FIFER]

so if they tendered a resignation then they dont owe a penny so how can you dept susp.them

 

 

the ones i am on about didn't tender any resignation, if ure on about rosyth i'm not sure, but if they did was it before or after the fed agm, i was at the fed agm and there was no resignations that i know off, but i am not really interested in rosyth, as i dont know there case, what heard they were going then they were not dont know if thats true as it was only what i heard, but did the resign at or after the agm, and agree if it was they didnt resign then u are right they are not debt suspended until next agm, but this is how the others got in rpra because rpra said the were not suspended when they joined , no but they were due thereir fees etc, so come on frank lets get it one way or the other, does that mean if i get suspended from the shu as u say it takes a year i cann jion the rpra as long as its before the next agm when i would be then suspended , no as when u put in an application to join the rpra it asks on ure form are u free from debt etc from any other organisatrion, does it not. any way its neer racing and not being an official of anything i'll get on with racing its up to them to sort it out the governing bodies,

[THE FIFER]

 

Well its just one of those things if you miss putting in your resignation before the agm you have to pay your fees otherwise you are a defaulter and there can be very few who dont know that rule

 

 

well this is the situation rose some didnt and they have been accepted as members by the rpra.

 

[doos r us]

u seem to be missing the point frank all dues to be paid /all dues were not paid therfor resignation not accepted    as they have been accepted as members of another club in another union its resonable to assume they are not comming back nor are they likly to pay they are now suspended and the suspension will be lifted when we recieve payment   the fact they now fly under a diferent name from the same lofts that is still unaceptable and its this type of behaviour that both unions need to come to agreement on

[me]

but if you tender a letter of resignation the rule is you pay all dues and give up your rights to all club assets

 

agree doosrus but you and i both know that certain people are treated differently from others and thats where it all falls down

 

 

[johno]

how can anyone possibly attempt to use references to rule breaking in putting forward a defence of the shu. what about the rule book when the current president never resigned from his lanarkshire membership and joined dumbarton. lanarkshire have a one fed rule which has in the past been enforced by the shu. what about the manipulating the membership numbers of dumbarton to allow the set up of a federation to allow jb to be a delegate to the shu? come on folks at least try and give the impression you are trying to be consistent and fair minded.

[doos r us]

sorry johno but that has been answered we have been a fed since march 06 and we still had the numbers before he joined at the agm in dec dont no anything about your 1 fed rule the only questin we ask is that they are debt free   would like to no how long lanark has had this rule

[Guest WINGS 04]

if both unions had acted at the time of the split what you say probibly would not have happend would you be willing to accept a member into your club knowing he owes money to a club 3 miles away but is a member of a diffrent union after all he might end up doing the same to you    iam the secy this year mabee i will go on holiday with the members money and join the club in the next town no right minded person wuold agree this is acceptable so lets get it sorted   i am sure the rpra have much the same rules regarding debts as the shu      

 

I THINK YOU WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET IN TO ANY CLUB IN LANARKSHIRE EVEN IF YOU RE A FOOL A PAYED UP MEMBER AND IN THE BOUNDRES WELL THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE ANYWAY

[johno]

it is a rule ratified by the shu. lanark have applied the rule. the midland have the same rule and used it to remove scott gibson from the midland. it is a homing union rule and was broken or pushed to the side to allow jb to survive. does not say a lot for your fed when a new member who has no pigeons or loft based in your boundaries becomes your shu delegate. more like puppets are us.

[johno]

baird white and barlow, barlow baird and white, white barlow and baird, barlow whiteand baird. members four clubs total membership by the paul daniels method twelve (12). real members three (3) this is an outstanding example being set by the  PRESIDENT OF THE SHU. certainly not arithmetic r us.

[me]

baird white and barlow, barlow baird and white, white barlow and baird, barlow whiteand baird. members four clubs total membership by the paul daniels method twelve (12). real members three (3) this is an outstanding example being set by the  PRESIDENT OF THE SHU. certainly not arithmetic r us.

 

 

I've said it before on this forum we Shu members are being made to look the laughing stock of UK pigeons. It's all so pathetic!

 

[THE FIFER]

in my last post on this subject i would like to appologize to the genuine members of the rpra, and there are a lot more of them than the other, for my postings, but one cannot just stand by and let others run down your oganisation,SHU, like it is on this forum, without hitting back, and u can always hit back becuase there is no organisation perfect, the way i see it is if someone is always making hits at another organisation they are not happy where they are or they would be content to get on with the sport, my personal view is that the running down of governing bodies and name calling should not be allowed on the site, and if my memory keeps me right i think this was pointed out by the webmaster not so long ago that it would not be allowed, but it is always brought back, as i said before there is no person can say i'm going to be this or that regarding officials, they are put there by the majority of members and its the members that make the rules in the shu, we donnt always get what we want when it comes to voting but sportsmen accept the outcome, and if u think its wrong u go about saying so in the proper manner. hope all enjoy ur racing and all the best for 2007,

[johno]

facts are facts. if an organisation is being made a laughing stock by its own officials why should people stand back and say nothing. your own post about hitting back becaiuse your own organisation is in a pitiful mess fifer is one of the most outrageous standpoints i have ever experienced. for someone who claims to be at the forefront of pigeon racing in scotland you do not portray your undoubted experience. unfortunately longevity is no guarantee of wisdom.

[me]

 

I THINK YOU WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET IN TO ANY CLUB IN LANARKSHIRE EVEN IF YOU RE A FOOL A PAYED UP MEMBER AND IN THE BOUNDRES WELL THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE ANYWAY

 

think the way you lads have been treated Wings is diabolical take it there is nothing else club wise?

 

The people who did this should be ashamed and if these clubs advertise yb sales we should all boycott them as these people are not sportsmen and we should have nothing to do with them.

 

 

[gangster]

yes and after a lot of thought and all of those who recieved gratis payments of lottery funds should be made to repay it..as its a sports for all grant and by there own actions render it sport NOT for all.....

[johno]

these awards could end up being an achilles heel for some organisations. public funds are accountable to the public.

[johno]

"be open and resposible, fair and balanced in the way we do things" "annual income of less than 20,000" "we encourage activities which are open to everyone who wants to join in" these are all taken from the awards for all guidlines. how can an organisation with a turnover of around 80,000, operating a restricted membership policy, selling ties books anything in an attempt to make a profit be awarded a lottery grant. a 4000 pound grant to produce a book to sell at a profit. it appears something not quite right here given all these facts.

[me]

Said before on here that this will come back to bite us, people are dying because there is not the money for the equipment and drugs to treat them and pigeon men are spending thousands upon thousands of lottery funds to provide enormous profits for individuals and companies by buying electronic timing systems. Sooner or later the right journalist will get a hold of all the info and do a right hatchet job. You can just see the headlines can't you -

 

"Lottery fund wastes thousands on flying rats"

[Guest]

Got to agree with you fifer we shouldnt be haveing a go at one an other and i can only appoligise as well but like you i get mad when i see some of the rubbish printed on here lets agree to disagree on the situation between the two unions as this has proberbly went far enough i agree that if you got the likes of rings they should be paid for but the shu should also not have been so pety to threaten  not to regester them so maybe faults on both parts but why spend so much energy trying to stop fanciers flying if we both spent the half of the time trying to get back together who knows what might happen its time to start puting the effort into geting the birds ready for the first race so less time to spend on here (thank god says some) have a good season all

[THE FIFER]

Got to agree with you fifer we shouldnt be haveing a go at one an other and i can only appoligise as well but like you i get mad when i see some of the rubbish printed on here lets agree to disagree on the situation between the two unions as this has proberbly went far enough i agree that if you got the likes of rings they should be paid for but the shu should also not have been so pety to threaten  not to regester them so maybe faults on both parts but why spend so much energy trying to stop fanciers flying if we both spent the half of the time trying to get back together who knows what might happen its time to start puting the effort into geting the birds ready for the first race so less time to spend on here (thank god says some) have a good season all

 

we had our presentation and quiz it was all fanciers from the new kingdom fed on the panel and others at the doo, it went fine, i agree on the ring piont, if u have purchased rings ,which they obviously had the union in qoestion must keep records, where i think the mistake is and what annoys me is if the rpra got with the shu and sorted it out one way or the other that would be fine, they are the governing body u cant let the organisation that is in question deal with their own case, anyway racing is near so lets get on with it, all the best.

 

 

[harky]

CANT beleive this topic is still going on put an end to it and move on cant change the past whats happened has happened everyone to their own all the best HARKY :)

[THE FIFER]

CANT beleive this topic is still going on put an end to it and move on cant change the past whats happened has happened everyone to their own all the best HARKY :)

 

 

agree HARKY, subject closed,all the best for 2007, thread locked.