walterboswell59 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 think the best racer would be easier to dispose than the best breeder...now thats a hard decisionwhat if it was a national winner mik of couse tony is right saying bin it its the right thing to do but could i do it honestly dont know hope im never in that position
MIK Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 what if it was a national winner mik of couse tony is right saying bin it its the right thing to do but could i do it honestly dont know hope im never in that position hard decision for any man to take ...if you were to keep ...how many years before you breed the carrier out of it?...therefore how many generations before you find they are clear ??? That would be after a lot of years of selection based on results and health in the loft. is it a price we are willing to pay to keep a national winner or the parents of the national winner. But the thoughts of treating with an antibiotic before any vaccination scares me. This sport is dam near fckd Mick
Guest chad3646 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 hard decision for any man to take ...if you were to keep ...how many years before you breed the carrier out of it?...therefore how many generations before you find they are clear ??? That would be after a lot of years of selection based on results and health in the loft. is it a price we are willing to pay to keep a national winner or the parents of the national winner. But the thoughts of treating with an antibiotic before any vaccination scares me. This sport is dam near fckd Mick i think that would be a waste of time trying to breed the carrier out of it, if that is possible
MIK Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 i think that would be a waste of time trying to breed the carrier out of it, if that is possible It has to be possible chad ...but how many generations will that take?, how many years of sickness?, how many years of antibiotics(which will do more harm than good) ? lots of questions and unknowns...black bag best option and start afresh i thinkbut jmo Mick
Guest chad3646 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 It has to be possible chad ...but how many generations will that take?, how many years of sickness?, how many years of antibiotics(which will do more harm than good) ? lots of questions and unknowns...black bag best option and start afresh i thinkbut jmo Mick correct mk, i agree it would do more harm than good
William Reid Posted October 17, 2014 Author Report Posted October 17, 2014 suppose thats up to the fancier jimmy might be the best racer in the loft and you would have to get it tested to fined out m8 ask billy reid he has all the books.
walterboswell59 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Posted October 18, 2014 It has to be possible chad ...but how many generations will that take?, how many years of sickness?, how many years of antibiotics(which will do more harm than good) ? lots of questions and unknowns...black bag best option and start afresh i thinkbut jmo Mickthe books are saying vaccination for 7 years only way to clear the loft of it mick
Guest chad3646 Posted October 18, 2014 Report Posted October 18, 2014 the books are saying vaccination for 7 years only way to clear the loft of it mick would that statement be out of one of billy reids books lol
William Reid Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Posted October 19, 2014 When I started this topic it was done because for the last few weeks I've been looking at the positives and negatives of vaccinating my own birds . I have watched a number of videos now and I'm still not sure. Some fanciers jagging once,twice,and three times a year some fanciers even injecting the birds at the top of the pigeons leg.
walterboswell59 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 what put me off the vaccination was most of them were saying if your birds have a touch of it the vaccination can kill them and the only way to be sure was to get the dropings tested and cultured over a period of a few days
frank-123 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Billy treat them then jag them see how it goes. If any birds show they can't handle it then you might find out which birds were carriers. They would be better off in the bin anyway.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Billy treat them then jag them see how it goes. If any birds show they can't handle it then you might find out which birds were carriers. They would be better off in the bin anyway. See post 18.
William Reid Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Posted October 19, 2014 Billy treat them then jag them see how it goes. If any birds show they can't handle it then you might find out which birds were carriers. They would be better off in the bin anyway.Frank I'm birds are in great health and I know what the first signs of paratyphoid are. But just like the protection we have for pmv my thinking was it would be another box ticked
frank-123 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 See post 18. I jagged my birds in December the instructions were one jag and it would last 12 month.
frank-123 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Frank I'm birds are in great health and I know what the first signs of paratyphoid are. But just like the protection we have for pmv my thinking was it would be another box ticked Great health in your loft. Birds only get unwell when the pressure of racing is applied or when the mix with club members.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 I jagged my birds in December the instructions were one jag and it would last 12 month. What vaccine was that?
frank-123 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 http://www.chevita.com/en/products/chevivac-S.php Not available in the UK
lanarkshire lad Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 How did you find that vaccine frank any probs with the doos after? was tempted to try it ?
frank-123 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 How did you find that vaccine frank any probs with the doos after? was tempted to try it ? Never had a problem when I used it. Never found any difference the following year when I never jagged them. So was it a waste of money????
lanarkshire lad Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 Never had a problem when I used it. Never found any difference the following year when I never jagged them. So was it a waste of money????Maybe a waste of money that year who knows? but every year is different.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 I was told live vaccines are not allowed in UK and that their protection isn't as lasting as that of dead vaccines. I was also told that when the pigeons excreted that they passed live infection.
MIK Posted October 19, 2014 Report Posted October 19, 2014 the books are saying vaccination for 7 years only way to clear the loft of it mick Jasus Walter ...so in order to save the loft we have to vaccinate for 7 years. does this cure the carriers too?? it would take 2/3 years for me to eradicate from loft without vaccination. No mercy at the end or during each breeding season. Would vaccine help...of course it would. Only to keep well up on the result sheet. If carriers are not removed the cycle will start all over again and imo only way to find carriers is not to vaccinate. jmoMick
walterboswell59 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Jasus Walter ...so in order to save the loft we have to vaccinate for 7 years. does this cure the carriers too?? it would take 2/3 years for me to eradicate from loft without vaccination. No mercy at the end or during each breeding season. Would vaccine help...of course it would. Only to keep well up on the result sheet. If carriers are not removed the cycle will start all over again and imo only way to find carriers is not to vaccinate. jmoMickfood for thought mik im still undecided m8
walterboswell59 Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 the vaccination i was looking at does both salmonella and paramyxo in the one dose but also can have side effects ill have a think about it over the winter and make up my mind deff something we need to think about
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