SHU COUNCIL MEETING 7th MAY 07

[Guest]

fifer how will you know exactly how your fed del has voted at such a meeting?

[Guest]

Agree with Gareth's post, especially the last bit re vote count. Don't get a true reflection of the depth of feeling on particular issues if you don't know the split - for example 51% / 49% is a pretty good indication that the membership is split down the middle, and maybe another solution needed,  while 80% / 20% is pretty clear cut - there's an overwhelming majority for that solution.

[THE FIFER]

fifer how will you know exactly how your fed del has voted at such a meeting?

 

 

i dont frank, and this is the problem, i did,nt even know there was a meeting until i saw it on the site, but i will be asking questions at the next fed meeting, we must get this sorted, and its up to the members to do so. we will get a report at the next fed meeting, but i think there will be more than a report, of course saying that it goes by the members frank i can stand up and ask questions but if i am the only one what does it do, and this is the problem, members are not getting their say, and its the members fault, going by what i hear on the forum it was a disgrace the way this meeting was, and must be looked into, the first thing is for all fed members to get a report from their delegates and ask questions and get answers, then deal with them.

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Try and get them to aggree to that bart dont think so they might loose if the members get a vote!!!

 

never a truer word was spoken frank

[Guest]

I applaud fifer and the way he thinks this should be sorted but this has been the problem for many years even if your del. was mandated to vote one way that is no guarentee he will do that and the members will never know remember democracy only works when the people at the top want to allow it to ie with honest and reasonable people do you think thats what you have here given the way he manouvered his way in ?

[THE FIFER]

I applaud fifer and the way he thinks this should be sorted but this has been the problem for many years even if your del. was mandated to vote one way that is no guarentee he will do that and the members will never know remember democracy only works when the people at the top want to allow it to ie with honest and reasonable people do you think thats what you have here given the way he manouvered his way in ?

 

 

i dont get much info those days not being in any official pos now but just what i get on the forum, but i do ask questions at my fed meetings as i am a club delegate and will be asking a lot at the next fed council meeting, and yes if this meeting was as said then something needs done, but delegates must abide by their members wishes, if not get them out same goes for officials if they are not listening get them out, i have always been a rules man and still go by them where possible, but one mans voice is no good, there are far to many who dont care or attend meetings, but u find they have plenty to say when things dont go there way, yes i agree something needs done to sort things out, but we must go by majority votes and accept them, not keep agro if u dont, lets get pigeon racing back to normal.

 

 

[Guest]

fifer this is getting worring i find my self totaly aggreeing with you but the thing is if your del do as we think they will it takes another year to remove them all the time the situation gets worse and as usual there are not people queing up to take thease jobs especialy if they are going to get verbally abused for not aggreeing with thease people this situation will ony get worse and for the voting at the agm that was passed when i was still a member and then over turned by council at the spring meeting chicken and egg i think)

[THE FIFER]

fifer this is getting worring i find my self totaly aggreeing with you but the thing is if your del do as we think they will it takes another year to remove them all the time the situation gets worse and as usual there are not people queing up to take thease jobs especialy if they are going to get verbally abused for not aggreeing with thease people this situation will ony get worse and for the voting at the agm that was passed when i was still a member and then over turned by council at the spring meeting chicken and egg i think)

 

 

i agree its hard to get anyone to take the places required to run organisations, and as it goes sometimes anyone can just say i'll do it and gets it, if only one stands then they are in, and by the members, only because there is no option, but as far as delegates go if u have a meeting to go through an agenda for a fed or shu council meeting and u mandate ur delegates to do so and so, and the dont i think all it would take is a vote of no confidence from the members to get them out, its not easy, the same some feds (like my own) just allow the officials to be shu delegates, this is also wrong and the reason being is as u say no one wants to be bothered, so let them do it and let them do as they please until something crops up u dont like and all hell gets loose, its a lot to do with the members frank, they must be prepaired to attend meetings and also make sure their delegates are told how to vote and put things forward at meetings, and also how to behave as they are representing ur organisation and the sport, i only wish i could be able to get to those shu meetings again, but age slows u down, its the getting there it was always good when they were held in glasgow and on a saturday as public transport was there which u cant get on sundays, etc, anyway i will be asking questions at our next fed council meeting, as i am a club delegate yet, we can go on all day and let all know what we feel about organisations etc on the forum, but it is our delegates and the organisations we must tell our feelings to. anyway we are still waiting for a lib from fife today so all the best.

 

 

[johno]

i did not know whether to post or not as in the past it has been re juggled into an attack. the fact that there was a meeting highlights the validity of the content of posts relating to the subject which have been on this sight for two years or more. anything certain members have posted has been attacked as lies and mistruth. the outcome of what has now become the norm in shu affairs is that it is impossible to separate the shu as an organisation and those who control the organisation.  there in excess of 80 posts on this subject in this thread alone. people should remember that none of the so called walkaways are involved in this current war. the situation is not being given fuel by ill intentioned outsiders. this is all the work of the shu on its own. i wholeheartedly applaud those who are showing the concern that they are and wish them well in their quest.

[doos r us]

simple solution ballot every member let the members decide as delegates dont always vote the way the members want its fairer than waiting for the agm when only a small percentage turn up

[Guest]

thats a great idea but will never hapen that wont suit some!!

[Guest]

thats a great idea but will never hapen that wont suit some!!

 

thats rite cause some people in the doo game here cant a gree on the colour of keek  ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

so what colour is it sammy? and was that keech

[gangster]

  in response to a few postings if your deligate is mandated to vote 1 way by the members and at the vote does the opposite then legally he is breaking the rules, please inform me if im wrong....

[Guest]

spot on gangster but the thing is the members will never know when anything like that comes up in the shu it will be a closed meeting and delagates are busy voting and there will be no minuit of who voted what you have to see thease meetings to believe what happens and even after you come out of thease meetings you cant believe what happened

[Guest WINGS 04]

i can only see 2 things that would stop all of this is for the president to step down and for the wos to withdraw their fed application .i am not trying to pick on the wos .  

[harky]

so what colour is it sammy? and was that keech

 

all depends on what you have been eatin or drinkin and would you not be better of sayin she-ite anyway a couldny care less am happy as long as a get racin doos and now that av read awe this depreesing long runnin saga am away to get pissed an hing ma sell

[doos r us]

fair point wings but unless another fed takes us in that aint going to happen unless the members decide otherwise at a gm or ballot

[THE FIFER]

spot on gangster but the thing is the members will never know when anything like that comes up in the shu it will be a closed meeting and delagates are busy voting and there will be no minuit of who voted what you have to see thease meetings to believe what happens and even after you come out of thease meetings you cant believe what happened

 

 

but u can go along as a guest, then u would see how they vote, or there is always someone who lets the cat out the bag, and if u let them know if they dont vote as mandated they could be in big trouble,

 

 

[Guest]

 

thats rite cause some people in the doo game here cant a gree on the colour of keek  ;D ;D ;D

 

Its spelt keich  ;D

[Guest]

i can only see 2 things that would stop all of this is for the president to step down and for the wos to withdraw their fed application .i am not trying to pick on the wos .  

 

With respect, don't think either of these are the real problem so wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference removing them.

 

The Union governing body is Council. Based on what has been said here, ordinary members aren't always electing the right folk as SHU delegates, they don't always mandate their delegates, and consequently Council cannot run itself let alone govern union affairs properly .. that is, run the union as the members wish it to be run..

[Guest]

;DSACK THEM ALL ,DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT POLITICS BUT A ALWAYS THOUGHT ALL ELECTIONS WERE DONE AT AGM ,A NEW RULE SHOULD BE ADDED ALL OFFICE BEARERS ARE ALLOWED ONE YEAR THEN OUT WAY THEM THEY GET IN TO LONG THEN THEY THINK THEY OWN IT  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Hello Bruno, does that mean you wish to see the democratic procedure in which the SHU presently has changed?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

With respect, don't think either of these are the real problem so wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference removing them.

 

The Union governing body is Council. Based on what has been said here, ordinary members aren't always electing the right folk as SHU delegates, they don't always mandate their delegates, and consequently Council cannot run itself let alone govern union affairs properly .. that is, run the union as the members wish it to be run..

 

if you don't think either of them are the problem you are needing a labotamy

[harky]

 

if you don't think either of them are the problem you are needing a labotamy

 

whits that  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/