white logan Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 In the attestation DEFRA and police officers take it states they are to uphold fundamental human rights, this oath is then broken by any enforcement of the wildlife and countryside act which contradicts human rights by stating that a suspect is guilty until he proves himself innocent. The most significant clause of the Statute of Tallage is Chapter Four, where the Crown promises never to impose laws that infringe any common law rights or liberties, the wildlife and countryside act also contradicts this law. Furthermore "We will and grant for us and our heirs," states King Edward’s Act, "that all clerks and laymen of our land shall have all their laws, liberties and free customs as largely and wholly as they have used to have the same at any time when they had them best and most fully; and if any statutes have been made by us or our ancestors, or any customs brought in contrary to them, or any manner of article contained in this present charter, we will and grant that each manner of statutes and customs shall be void and frustrate for evermore." That clearly states the wildlife and countryside act is void. It does not apply! To take this further there is the fact that DEFRA and all police (as far as im aware) are COMPANIES, registered to the companies house(registration numbers found for DEFRA are: UC6035210, UC6248538 and UC4631666. North yorkshire police and NYP authority are: UC4633021 and UC6039748. South Devon and Cornwall police are actually privately owned by IBM, it an easy fact to find just by looking at the entries to companies house) which means (due to company law) they can only have authority over any member of public through form of contract. This means that defra enforcement officers who claim right to enter private property do not, unless you give them consent. enforcement of the wildlife and countryside act also needs consent (even for the police), not only for them to have authority over you but also for the statute to have "force of law" (statutes are not law and by definition is: A legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed.) This means that the wildlife and countryside act is defunct and has no lawful power! Dont take my word for any of this, go and do the research for yourself. It truly is an unlawful defunct law! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white logan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 this now tips the balance , if this law is defunct what about past convictions ? what about pending convictions ? and now would be the time for a more lernerd person to ask why has a registerd charity (RSPB) GOT SUCH AN INFLUENCE WITH THESE COMPANY'S , also because england had the power of vito , (GB held the right to hold whichever law was greater to be upheld) also comes into question ,.............. so if you get a knock at the door , you could ask some realy embarrasing questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 here john were you learn all this from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white logan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 here john were you learn all this from hmmmmmmmm there are some things we have to talk about sammy but the information is good , trust me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark croker Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white logan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 sounds good to me you still cannot go out and break the law , but it now casts a huge shadow over how the 1982 wild life and countryside act was formed there could now be appeals and compensation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaz Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowman Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 maybe send it to rpra they must have legel department may give us some grounds to get some of the bop culled . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owen Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 There is one thing that you have missed, I think. Law is nothing unless it is enforced. There are lots of examples of the law not being enforced all around us every day. I think it could be the same with your contentions. If what you say is right, how can you actually force the issue. The fact is that people have been prosecuted successfully and there has not been a successful appeal. It seems that it would probably take a top Human Rights Lawyer to take this up before any such action could stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white logan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 maybe send it to rpra they must have legel department may give us some grounds to get some of the bop culled . it will not bring a cull any nearer , as i have stated britain has the power of vito and retained the right to keep both the 1954 wild birds act and it also adopted the 1982 wildlife and countryside act but written in for the protectionist groups it stated that "you must prove your innocence" that is the sticking point basicaly the government has left its ar$e open to being burnt and will now have to pay more compensation for another stupidly addopted law that was enforced by the protectionist groups , it also means that you cannot have your house burst so easily by the police especialy when they are accompanyed by the rspb or rspca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white logan Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 There is one thing that you have missed, I think. Law is nothing unless it is enforced. There are lots of examples of the law not being enforced all around us every day. I think it could be the same with your contentions. If what you say is right, how can you actually force the issue. The fact is that people have been prosecuted successfully and there has not been a successful appeal. It seems that it would probably take a top Human Rights Lawyer to take this up before any such action could stand a chance. it has now reached the court of human rights , and a ruling has been given , it is a breach of human rights so now something else will have to be thought of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCHEQHEN Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I don't know where you get your information from white logan - but it is flawed none of the 'companies' you have quoted appear on the companies house register what does UC stand for? Unregistered Company???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dogeon Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 a little off topic but along the same lines cannibalism:- there is no law on cannibalism so you may eat someone errrr but you can get done for murder ????? loop holes they always find them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IB Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I think what has been posted as fact is nothing less than trash, and a trap for the unwary. Human Rights Law defers to other Laws. The right to life is absolute until you murder someone in a country having the death penalty, then if found guilty, you lose it. It doesn't confer any rights to break any other law. The Role of Government Department Inspector is also made quite clear in all the animal welfare acts, including powers of entry, inspection, consfication, culling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 a little off topic but along the same lines cannibalism:- there is no law on cannibalism so you may eat someone errrr but you can get done for murder ????? loop holes they always find themSometimes specific laws aren't needed because there are other laws in place to cover others, for example it is impossible not to break another law when partaking in cannibalism,you can't eat someone without first killing him or inflicting grevious bodily harm which both carry life sentences, the law may be an ass but it ain't stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Sometimes specific laws aren't needed because there are other laws in place to cover others, for example it is impossible not to break another law when partaking in cannibalism,you can't eat someone without first killing him or inflicting grevious bodily harm which both carry life sentences, the law may be an ass but it ain't stupid. What about if they die from natural causes :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dogeon Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Sometimes specific laws aren't needed because there are other laws in place to cover others, for example it is impossible not to break another law when partaking in cannibalism,you can't eat someone without first killing him or inflicting grevious bodily harm which both carry life sentences, the law may be an ass but it ain't stupid. my point exactly there is no law for cannibalism yet prosecution for murder for eating some one is and as for the law isn't stupid ;D thats the whole point theres always loop holes for them to get a prosecution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white logan Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 obviously if the answers bit some of you on the backside you still would not get it , information flawed and such , i wonder what side you bat for did , or can you do a search on companys house ? i doubt it because it means paying , but if you read this there is a link so you may try again is all easily accesable information and i have relied on official sources for this information. It has long been known about the WCA contradicting human rights, it states as such in the act itself, making the suspect guilty until he proves himself innocent. The attestation that defra officers and the police have to take is accesable on the polices website and you can obtain a copy of the oath from defra themselves. An officer has to take an oath in order to have any authority over you (hence why Police Community Support Officer's have no power as they take no oath.) To quote laws like the statute concerning tallage (1297) you would need to buy some law books, these laws are still applicable today and the statue concerning tallage has actually been used to refuse paying income tax before. For statues like the Wildlife and Countryside Act you can look on sites like opsi.gov, As for the fact they are all companies you can either use a official website to check their listings with companies house or you can use a free one like http://www.snoop4companies.co.uk. The implications of there being a company is also easily accesible in most business law books. Also the fact statutes are not law is within the legal definition of statute, to paraphrase a rule of society that is given "force of law" (note it is NOT law) with consent of the governed (so most people actually consent to being arrested!) as i say most of this is easily accessible and i dont want to spoon feed the public then they wont believe it, i think if they look into it for themselves they will then come to the stark realisation that all ive said is in black and white and is solid law! perhaps the people who are trying to run "save and protect british songbirds" may appreciate this more than some others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCHEQHEN Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/3e1ba691abe27d7c2b726b4b2a5ca1fb/wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dogeon Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 i dont mean to mock what you have found out all i state is that there are loop holes in every law, and the law seem to have them wayed up and ways to get out of them, so do i understand you correctly as im not a well educated person if for example i was going to get arrested for assulte, then i can tell the officer that i do not give you consent, and he wont arrest me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white logan Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/3e1ba691abe27d7c2b726b4b2a5ca1fb/wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo very good , you have been playing with google , but you have not read what the content of that link is have you ???? YOU HAVE TO PAY TO USE IT so if thats what your using to check it will never work unless you pay ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCHEQHEN Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 You haven't read it correctly - I work in finance and have been using the Companies House web site for 10 years or more You need to check on this web site to make sure a company exists -as well as the comany providing documentation to make sure they are legitimate - before you use their services- and I have never needed to pay or log in to get the information required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgeman Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 What about if they die from natural causes :P The meat dont taste as nice ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 What about if they die from natural causes :P You are legally bound to report the death and rats etc to my knowledge don't know how to cook yet. ;D ;D ;D ;D There will always be some law they can dig up Bob, no pun intended. ;D ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owen Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Things like right of entry have always been very uncertain. To the best of my knowledge, no-one can enter your property legally unless they have a Court Order. To that extent, Police, Bailiffs and People like the RSPCA have broken the law on numberous occasions. The problem is that there is no way that you can bring an action against these people. I remember the Miners' Strike and I think that most who followed the events concerned with it, would agree that the authorities took extreme measures to force the Miners to do what they wanted them to do. They wanted to make the miners into criminals and went about their tasks with enthusiasm. There was no recourse to the law then although the law was being broken by those whose job it was to uphold it. In regard to the RSPB, DEFRA and bodies of that sort, I am convinced that the same conditions apply. There will be no where to go with complaints about their conduct or any violations to Human Rights that they may be caught up in. The only hope in the long run is through the the medium of Public Opinion. If Public Opinion were to become activated on the side of Pigeon Racing or in oposition to the overprotection of the BOP then mountains would be moved. Until that happens, I'm afraid it will be business as usual for the violators. The present situation makes us behave a bit like Don Quiote when he tilted at the windmills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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