Some Further, Further Considerations When Feeding

June 18, 2014

I read the topic about feeding considerations and had a couple of comments and questions. On the old forum there was an article about nearly the same subject ALTHOUGH the conclusions drawn were quite different. There are as stated two types of muscle fiber, slow twitch and fast twitch and both control different things and areas of a body. Fast twitch muscle ( white ) controls actions in the body that are involuntary, blinking, respiration, reactionary movement ect, the slow twitch muscle ( red ) controls things we have control over, arm / leg movement, talking, eating, ect and although they are both muscles they are supplied with glycogen in different ways and use these supplies differently.In the other article on the old forum it said the body would convert protein into glucose first and more easily and efficient with fat being the secondary choice with carbs being the third choice. This latest article draws conclusions about a couple of different things that I am curious about......

1. White muscle burns glycogen at a faster rate and will use supplies in a relative short time and need to be replenished frequently so which ever type of fuel it uses wouldnt it make sense to increase that type of fuel in the diet ?

2. Fat is the most concentrated form of fuel we ingest so wouldnt it also make sense to increase the amount of available fat that was fed to the bird just prior to a race ?

3. Muscle is protein and will be consumed by the body if the situation arises so wouldnt increasing the amount of protein available to the muscle lessen damage AND help repair and rebuild after a performance ?

I now have a few comments firstly Maple peas ARE higher in protein than white peas HOWEVER they use the skins of these in a concentrated form as a birth control substance as stated in the article here there are several detrimental substances in them. Brewers Yeast contains a lot of B vitamins and should be given when feeding protein as it will help with digesting and utilizing protein. Flax Oil ( organic cold pressed ) will react with the Brewers Yeast and help act as a catalyst to even further increase the ability of the body to utilize protein HOWEVER it will loosen the droppings and dehydrate the birds if overused and can get rancid if left unrefrigerated ( flax seed is not NEARLY as good of a source of these substances as the oil ) and also supplies a little more useable fat.

I usually fly all of my birds every week so I feed heavy on the protein consistently as well as a lot of fat just prior to race day, I have been laying off the last couple of years as health and financial issues have hindered me so the last couple of years I havent done much. I will be flying a 500 mile race in 2 weeks and full well expect to win so we will see. Prior to that I have consistently had birds in the top 10 nationally as well as breaking a national speed record in 2010 more recently I put 5 of 8 in the money at Kansas Prairie Classic and winning 5th overall with most of my success coming on a 400 mile YB race putting 3 in the top 13 paying positions.

I fly Koopman / Kannibal lines as well as Beaverdam Jannssen / Pinnacle and some Gis Pieters / Blue Star birds I win at all distances but try to concentrate on the 4's 5's and 6's and primarily use the 1's and 2's as trainers.

June 18, 2014

welcome back slugmonkey, think over here, they tend to give more carbs the last week going to the distance. peanut oil or walnut oil, would have more fats.

William Reid · June 18, 2014

I read the topic about feeding considerations and had a couple of comments and questions. On the old forum there was an article about nearly the same subject ALTHOUGH the conclusions drawn were quite different. There are as stated two types of muscle fiber, slow twitch and fast twitch and both control different things and areas of a body. Fast twitch muscle ( white ) controls actions in the body that are involuntary, blinking, respiration, reactionary movement ect, the slow twitch muscle ( red ) controls things we have control over, arm / leg movement, talking, eating, ect and although they are both muscles they are supplied with glycogen in different ways and use these supplies differently.In the other article on the old forum it said the body would convert protein into glucose first and more easily and efficient with fat being the secondary choice with carbs being the third choice. This latest article draws conclusions about a couple of different things that I am curious about......

1. White muscle burns glycogen at a faster rate and will use supplies in a relative short time and need to be replenished frequently so which ever type of fuel it uses wouldnt it make sense to increase that type of fuel in the diet ?

2. Fat is the most concentrated form of fuel we ingest so wouldnt it also make sense to increase the amount of available fat that was fed to the bird just prior to a race ?

3. Muscle is protein and will be consumed by the body if the situation arises so wouldnt increasing the amount of protein available to the muscle lessen damage AND help repair and rebuild after a performance ?

I now have a few comments firstly Maple peas ARE higher in protein than white peas HOWEVER they use the skins of these in a concentrated form as a birth control substance as stated in the article here there are several detrimental substances in them. Brewers Yeast contains a lot of B vitamins and should be given when feeding protein as it will help with digesting and utilizing protein. Flax Oil ( organic cold pressed ) will react with the Brewers Yeast and help act as a catalyst to even further increase the ability of the body to utilize protein HOWEVER it will loosen the droppings and dehydrate the birds if overused and can get rancid if left unrefrigerated ( flax seed is not NEARLY as good of a source of these substances as the oil ) and also supplies a little more useable fat.

I usually fly all of my birds every week so I feed heavy on the protein consistently as well as a lot of fat just prior to race day, I have been laying off the last couple of years as health and financial issues have hindered me so the last couple of years I havent done much. I will be flying a 500 mile race in 2 weeks and full well expect to win so we will see. Prior to that I have consistently had birds in the top 10 nationally as well as breaking a national speed record in 2010 more recently I put 5 of 8 in the money at Kansas Prairie Classic and winning 5th overall with most of my success coming on a 400 mile YB race putting 3 in the top 13 paying positions.

I fly Koopman / Kannibal lines as well as Beaverdam Jannssen / Pinnacle and some Gis Pieters / Blue Star birds I win at all distances but try to concentrate on the 4's 5's and 6's and primarily use the 1's and 2's as trainers.

expletive remove.what a post sounds like you are doing the same thing as all good doo men that are having a bad run . Over complicating . Think you should stick to a healthy pigeon a clean pigeon mixture(feeding) and the right amount at the right time :animatedpigeons:

June 18, 2014

welcome back slugmonkey, think over here, they tend to give more carbs the last week going to the distance. peanut oil or walnut oil, would have more fats.

peanut oil or walnut oil that,s a first

June 19, 2014

I use coconut oil ... has a lot of antibacterial properties and is especially tough on malaria .... also contains a lot of saturated fat ( the healthy kind ) I only use the flax as a catalyst when feeding yeast ..... not having a bad run just havent raced much ...... have tried both walnut and peanut oils and both are good ... walnut is just very expensive here but a great source of healthy high quality fats ... I also add a bit of sesame oil as well as it is high in ALA also very good for you and the birds .....

June 19, 2014

I use coconut oil ... has a lot of antibacterial properties and is especially tough on malaria .... also contains a lot of saturated fat ( the healthy kind ) I only use the flax as a catalyst when feeding yeast ..... not having a bad run just havent raced much ...... have tried both walnut and peanut oils and both are good ... walnut is just very expensive here but a great source of healthy high quality fats ... I also add a bit of sesame oil as well as it is high in ALA also very good for you and the birds .....

all tell you wan thing they certainly wont cease up with all that oil your pumping into them lol

Tony C · June 19, 2014

I'm under the impression that vitamin C acts as a catalyst when giving brewers yeast (vitamin B ). This is why many advocate the juice of freshly squeezed lemons be put on their feed when mixing brewers yeast on said feed.