The R.S.P.B

[Mealy Cock]

I see on this forum that BOP are playing havoc yet again.

Why do fanciers not do something about it them selves as a group.

 

I have wrote and spoken to the RSPB many times they simply fob you off, I have caught them out

with their own data, they then have a strop and won't reply.

 

I once spoke to a RSPB team with a stall touting for money in my Town center with a telescope on the Town Hall

where a pair of Peregrines live. A soon as a challenged them about what they was doing the first words out of

their mouth was "quote" are you a pigeon fancier! I replied I was and an ex RSPB member, the lady would not

answer my questions, just ignored me, that says it all.

 

What annoys me the most you have wild live programs saying that Peregrines are rare, what a joke, they are now becoming a pest

along with Sparrow Hawks. There was in 1995 1400 pairs of Peregrines in the UK. 120,00 Sparrow Hawks what are the true number to date.

 

There is only one solution to this problem of which I have said many times, the RPRA need to bring the problem to the public eye

and the media with what is really going on, challenge the RSPB to prove these bird are rare, they won't be able to.

They give you stock answers then contradict them selves when you keep at them, they are not as bright as they make out!

 

Hit them where it hurts in the pocket, the general public have not a clue what is really going on, they just keep coughing up money

to the RSPB who only care about BOP and no other species of bird, ask them when did they last released blue tits or finches or wagtails

back into the wild the answer is never.

[THE FIFER]

the Raptor Alliance are working on it, they now have a Barrister a Mr Valios, on the go and to date have £49,000 plus in funds, each Union is working together, and the aim is to get protection for Racing pigeons, so we are doing something, and I believs joining up with other organisations, so hopefully, in time we will get there,

[soupie]

I see on this forum that BOP are playing havoc yet again.

Why do fanciers not do something about it them selves as a group.

 

I have wrote and spoken to the RSPB many times they simply fob you off, I have caught them out

with their own data, they then have a strop and won't reply.

 

I once spoke to a RSPB team with a stall touting for money in my Town center with a telescope on the Town Hall

where a pair of Peregrines live. A soon as a challenged them about what they was doing the first words out of

their mouth was "quote" are you a pigeon fancier! I replied I was and an ex RSPB member, the lady would not

answer my questions, just ignored me, that says it all.

 

What annoys me the most you have wild live programs saying that Peregrines are rare, what a joke, they are now becoming a pest

along with Sparrow Hawks. There was in 1995 1400 pairs of Peregrines in the UK. 120,00 Sparrow Hawks what are the true number to date.

 

There is only one solution to this problem of which I have said many times, the RPRA need to bring the problem to the public eye

and the media with what is really going on, challenge the RSPB to prove these bird are rare, they won't be able to.

They give you stock answers then contradict them selves when you keep at them, they are not as bright as they make out!

 

Hit them where it hurts in the pocket, the general public have not a clue what is really going on, they just keep coughing up money

to the RSPB who only care about BOP and no other species of bird, ask them when did they last released blue tits or finches or wagtails

back into the wild the answer is never.

 

if fanciers are in a situation of meeting RSPB fundraisers , do you have any good/interesting answers or statistics to quote to them ??? be good if we could argue our case a bit more

 

cheers

soupie

[Guest bigda]

if fanciers are in a situation of meeting RSPB fundraisers , do you have any good/interesting answers or statistics to quote to them ??? be good if we could argue our case a bit more

 

cheers

soupie

 

if DDT wiped out the bop, why did it not wipe out the birds that, eat the contaminate

every day. and as bop manly go for live prey, the ones that WOULD HAVE DIED FROM IT small birds WOULD HAVE BEEN OF NO USE TO THE BOP, they are trying to protect

there are lies been spoken here.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

That would be their get out. It wasn't the DDT that directly killed the BOP, it was the lack of food source because of the DDT, that wiped them out. There is always a counter arguement.

What is needed is honesty regarding the situation and I am sure we are all agreed that honesty is in short supply when the RSPB are concerned. They are happy to trot out extinct figures and statistics.

[Guest Owen]

The best way to understand how DDT works is by looking at the damage it has been doing to babies in Africa. DDT was used to kill mosquitoes on water, the fish ate the mosquitoes and people ate the fish. Women who were breast feeding fed their milk to the babies and the babies became very ill and a lot of the died. Apparently every time something contaminated with DDT is eaten the dose of DDT is increased 10 fold which made the concentration very high by the time the babies got it. So if predators eat contaminated prey they will get a dose of around 10 times the dose that the prey species had. At that time predators did not usually die but the DDT made their egg shells thin preventing them from hatching.

In regard to the legal actions being taken by the RPRA, I have my doubts if this type of action will succeed on it's own. The RSBP is not short of funds and they are well capable of carrying out a long and expensive fight in the Courts. The very thing that we as a sport are most likely to struggle with. However, as has already been said, the thing that scares them is the prospect of Public Opinion changing and their income stream being interrupted. We as a Sport have several things we must do and quickly. Reeducate our members to avoid us having bad publicity as happens when some smart person misbehaves in situations involving strays, for example. Then we must present the sport in a way that shows the Public how it does good for people and how it helps young people to become better citizens.

The one thing we must do is to avoid bad publicity at all costs and to promote the sport in ever way we can.

[Guest bigda]

if we are all for help the Hero"s, then pigeons in the army have the badge to carry as they won the dickens medals, the bops won nothing, AND SHOULD THERE BE ANOTHER WAR AND COMMUNICATIONS satellites be jammed or shot out the sky, who then do we call

into action once more, yes the pigeon, but if the fanciers dont get the help needed now to keep the pigeon from being extinct there will be no more communications and no saved lives, this is the road we should present our case on nothing more, we have the medals and the war records to prove it, to many bops WILL STOP THE MESSENGER and if we where to ask the RSPB who will carry the message, will they be able to give us an answer.

use this as the way forward let every one know no fanciers no pigeons, no chance of getting life saving info.

[Mealy Cock]

if fanciers are in a situation of meeting RSPB fundraisers , do you have any good/interesting answers or statistics to quote to them ??? be good if we could argue our case a bit more

 

cheers

soupie

 

Yes you can ask why the BOP situation is that they are now living in urban areas, the reason is that their own habitat is

over crowded and have had to move else where, ask why we no longer see all the colorful birds in our gardens and why the RSPB

are not doing anything about that, there is no such thing as an "urban Peregrine Falcon" this is a word the RSPB made up to justify

why they are now living in towns and city's, the real habitat for Peregrines are cliff faces and the like.

 

One more question you can ask! why have they not done a further survey on BOP since 1995, and the last one ask why they won't introduce

Eagle Owls back into the UK- their answer to that is a pearl-er.

[Guest bluemorning]

The best way to understand how DDT works is by looking at the damage it has been doing to babies in Africa. DDT was used to kill mosquitoes on water, the fish ate the mosquitoes and people ate the fish. Women who were breast feeding fed their milk to the babies and the babies became very ill and a lot of the died. Apparently every time something contaminated with DDT is eaten the dose of DDT is increased 10 fold which made the concentration very high by the time the babies got it. So if predators eat contaminated prey they will get a dose of around 10 times the dose that the prey species had. At that time predators did not usually die but the DDT made their egg shells thin preventing them from hatching.

In regard to the legal actions being taken by the RPRA, I have my doubts if this type of action will succeed on it's own. The RSBP is not short of funds and they are well capable of carrying out a long and expensive fight in the Courts. The very thing that we as a sport are most likely to struggle with. However, as has already been said, the thing that scares them is the prospect of Public Opinion changing and their income stream being interrupted. We as a Sport have several things we must do and quickly. Reeducate our members to avoid us having bad publicity as happens when some smart person misbehaves in situations involving strays, for example. Then we must present the sport in a way that shows the Public how it does good for people and how it helps young people to become better citizens.

The one thing we must do is to avoid bad publicity at all costs and to promote the sport in ever way we can.

 

 

 

owen mate

im with you mate very well put.

[Guest Owen]

I have been writing to the RSPB on the subject of Birds of Prey for some time now. When I posed the question of when are they going to release the Eagle Owl I was told that they will not do that because the Eagle Owl is not a native species. According to them it last lived here in Britain in the last Ice Age.

They also say that there has not been releases of Peregrine Falcons or Goshawks to their knowledge. And according to them the White Tailed Eagle has enough carrion to live on so they are not likely to take domestic livestock. Goshawks are shy woodland birds that keep to the woodland and are no threat to domestic livestock. And the reason that pigeons are taken is because people let them lose into the environment. I will carry on asking questions and recording the answers so by the time I finish I will have accumulated a very big data base of their nonsense. That is of course unless they rumble me and stop co-operating.

[Guest bigda]

I have been writing to the RSPB on the subject of Birds of Prey for some time now. When I posed the question of when are they going to release the Eagle Owl I was told that they will not do that because the Eagle Owl is not a native species. According to them it last lived here in Britain in the last Ice Age.

They also say that there has not been releases of Peregrine Falcons or Goshawks to their knowledge. And according to them the White Tailed Eagle has enough carrion to live on so they are not likely to take domestic livestock. Goshawks are shy woodland birds that keep to the woodland and are no threat to domestic livestock. And the reason that pigeons are taken is because people let them lose into the environment. I will carry on asking questions and recording the answers so by the time I finish I will have accumulated a very big data base of their nonsense. That is of course unless they rumble me and stop co-operating.

 

owen they will say it will attack and takes the wee old ladys dog, they way forward when the time is right when we have the tv coverage face to face,with them is as i say the racing pigeon has to be part of the "army" and it has the potential to save a life even one of the RSPB members lifes. wars can happen at any time so we have to be prepared they can not reject our request and they know that for a control of the BOP.

[Mealy Cock]

I have been writing to the RSPB on the subject of Birds of Prey for some time now. When I posed the question of when are they going to release the Eagle Owl I was told that they will not do that because the Eagle Owl is not a native species. According to them it last lived here in Britain in the last Ice Age.

They also say that there has not been releases of Peregrine Falcons or Goshawks to their knowledge. And according to them the White Tailed Eagle has enough carrion to live on so they are not likely to take domestic livestock. Goshawks are shy woodland birds that keep to the woodland and are no threat to domestic livestock. And the reason that pigeons are taken is because people let them lose into the environment. I will carry on asking questions and recording the answers so by the time I finish I will have accumulated a very big data base of their nonsense. That is of course unless they rumble me and stop co-operating.

 

Hi Owen

 

I got the same answer when I wrote to the RSPB about Eagle Owls, only the real reason is the Eagle Owl will attack and kill Peregrines.

But here one for you, did you get the reply about Peregrines only eat sick and injured birds- i.e racing pigeons and did you ever

read the letter in the fancy press many years ago when the RSPB said that Peregrines don't kill and eat racing pigeons

a fancier wrote back with a list of 300 ring numbers found at the bottom a Peregrines nest, the RSPB did not reply to that one!

Any way keep up the good work.