2007 Auction

[sapper756]

Just had a look at the auction birds and buyers, only to notice 4 are still unpaid, so come on folks lets get them paid for

[Ian McKay]

Mac1

Thanks for the late reply .

Now lets look at what you were told last FEBRUARY. You were told to put it in writing to the web master I cannot make it simpler than that. As I have said as far as I know there were no applications until Linda submitted one after my PMs.

Four months and nobody bothered to apply don't blame us we need requests. You my smell a rat but it must be close to home

Cheers

Ian

[mac1]

 

I think you will find that IAN MACKAY is one of the most honest men you will meet on this forum, and he will only stick up for what is right and nothing else, and I also have had some major disputes  with the webmaster but I think you will also find he will do absolutely nothing wrong with any members money, he has already posted today he has not been on much lately because he is busy with his studies, he is after all just a young man and he did appoint a committee to oversee this money for that reason, who apart from Linda has put in a written request for any money, I dont really think this is something that should be causing any arguements, I am quite sure all the money will go what it was collected for and that none of it will be used for anything else on the forum, will

not be hard to count up, we know the total and we will I am sure be given any details as to how much is given where.

 

I APPOLOGISE IAN NO NEED TO FALL OUT,IM JUST THINKING OF THOSE WHO NEED IT SORRY IF IVE OFFENDED ANYONE

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

I APPOLOGISE IAN NO NEED TO FALL OUT,IM JUST THINKING OF THOSE WHO NEED IT SORRY IF IVE OFFENDED ANYONE

 

nobody is falling out mac, if you look at brunos post a couple back you will see a link to a thread i made way back in march and i also asked that money should go to mark then, because at the time he was one of the people that needed help , as were the member mr barkel , who also lost all his birds to arson, dont know if anybody has put in a request for him to get money, and there have been a few cases that could have done with help, i dont know any of them personally but sure there must be members on here who are friendly with deserving causes and can maybe put their names forward

[Ian McKay]

Hi Mac1

No need to appologise. I am only giving some facts to all members. It is frustrating to read the posts when I know nobody has made a request and there were more than you complaining. As Tammy said there are others that may need help but I do not know any of them, the members that know the facts MUST take the time to make a request.It could be that more than one request is for the same person but that does not matter it's better than no request.

I to donated birds to this cause  so you are not alone.

Thanks for reading the answers.

Cheers

Ian

[Linda]

mac as far as Superstar is concerned you have been a friend and given him encouragement with your messages I have passed onto him. I'm sure those of you who have send messages to Mark wont really know just how much they have meant to him over the past weeks.  Anyway he says he misses you all on here and hopes to be back someday just dont know when

[Ian McKay]

Hi Linda

Please tell mark we are all thinking of him and also hope he is back soon

 

[Guest]

It is very clear from the posts what the objectives of the fund are. However an important factor is that these objectives are met i.e. that there are fanciers that a) meet the criteria and b0 wish to apply for the funds. At the moment it would appear that the criteria has been set too rigid (or are there reasons why there have not been applications from those that qualify?). The question I suppose is; is this money going to stay in 'trust' until someone does meet the criteria and does wish to apply, or can the wbmaster and his committee open the criteria to include other 'worthy' applications.

I am not putting forward a personal view either way, purely suggesting the committee perhaps needs to meet and look at the wider implications.

One of the things that I think could spring up because of this marvellous effort by users of this site (and more importantly the marvellous contribution in providing it by the webmaster) is an annual auction for this fund, which could grow and become very worthwhile. However if users see that nothing is to happen to the money then their faith and loyalty to any such fund will erode. Of course that's not to say that the webmaster may be happy for such erosion, after all raising the money was the easier part, holding it and its distribution is the nightmare because some one will always be upset whatever decision is made.

I do think public opinion is important and i think many who contributed genuinly thought that Mark would be the first recipient, indeed I must admit to thinking that myself. When I contributed it was because I wanted to help  fellow fanciers and or good causes within pigeons, I did not look at the detail, which was remiss of me I should have known better (to have read it for my own personal knowledge, not because I think the committee is doing anything wrong within its terms of reference). But there are many others (like me!) who never look at the small print.

I think it would be advisable for the committee to revist their terms of reference, mainly to examine how practical they are. If they should decide after that that they have it right, then I would support them, if they broadened the terms I would also support them. I assume the terms were drawn up by the webmaster, it would be good for him to listen to the committee members he has appointed to get a concensus. It would also be good for the results of the discusion, if there is one, to be shared with the users

[jimmy white]

 

I think you will find that IAN MACKAY is one of the most honest men you will meet on this forum, and he will only stick up for what is right and nothing else, and I also have had some major disputes  with the webmaster but I think you will also find he will do absolutely nothing wrong with any members money, he has already posted today he has not been on much lately because he is busy with his studies, he is after all just a young man and he did appoint a committee to oversee this money for that reason, who apart from Linda has put in a written request for any money, I dont really think this is something that should be causing any arguements, I am quite sure all the money will go what it was collected for and that none of it will be used for anything else on the forum, will not be hard to count up, we know the total and we will I am sure be given any details as to how much is given where.

 

this i find, a most decent post of tammies, and a most down to earth post ,, in my experience with the webmaster , have found him to be a most honest and intelligent young chap,, if the webmaster formed this committee, i would certainly put my trust in this committee also,,,,, i, like many others, was  wondering, why the lack of news , we know know why, that is good enough for me,,,,, i think we should all feel proud that we now have this fund and feel sure many genuine fanciers will benefit from this ,  my sincere wishes to mark and feel sure he will be gratefull at the end of the day,,,,,maybe , a little patience , a little trust , a little humanity, is what we all need now, and we will have the satisfaction of knowing that each one of us that has donated , will be helping someone less fortunate than  ourselves.  

[Ian McKay]

Hi Alan

As I see it there was nothing to discuss as we had not received any applications but now Linda has made one, we I am sure will get the opportunity to discuss it. As to the rules Richard set out, we were sent them for our  comments and I and some others voted on each and every one.These rules were very basic and did not contain a lot of restrictions. I would doubt if anyone would stick rigidly to them surely each and every application should be judged on it's merits. it must be made clear if you know of someone who has suffered this type of horrendous event an application has to be made out, Do not wait for someone else as in this case everyone thought everyone else was doing it, this is quite common in pigeon circles.

I am sure the committee which I believe I am one. will get to know each other quite well, I look forward to speaking with them all. at present I have not met any of them so I presume Richard had a reason for each selection. I know I was pleased to accept this job and hope to give pleasure to a lot of unfortunate members I think that,s what this fund was set out for so lets hope we can get to work quite soon.

Sorry I have met Rose.

Information is what is needed so we can return that to you the fund members

 

Thanks

Ian

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Just a small part of your previous post has me worried about you Ian which I quote

  I am sure the committee which I believe I am one.

 

you only believe , don't you know for sure if you are one or not ;D

[Guest]

Fund Committee members are named in this link:-

 

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/forum/blah/v-members/a-groups/group-15/

[Ian McKay]

I was asked but to date have had no communication.I did vote on the rules

 

Was hoping to have Linds request by now.

 

That would confirm it.

 

Sorry did not mean to mislead you

Cheers

Ian

[Ian McKay]

Thanks

Bruno

[Guest]

Thank's Ian that helps clarify, the only thing I would say is that there may be people you would consider, who have not applied because they don't meet the specific criteria drawn up, if you are flexible this needs to be reflected in the rules

Thanks

Alan

[Guest]

Committee does have discretion in changing rules, and Committee members should have received / will receive a copy shortly, of proposed procedures & application form, in recent PM from Webmaster.

[Webmaster]

The pages for applications for the Fund are now online. http://www.pigeonbasics.com/fund/

[Guest]

when does the ring numbers have to be in for the breeder buyer?