Guest mick bowler Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Can you breed a chequer from 2 blues? Can you breed a blue bar from 2 chequers?
greenlands Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Hi Mick.I think this lots about right mate,but there's always one that catches you out. Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens Cheq x Cheq = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Lindsay
Guest mick bowler Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Cheers Lindsay. I think it answers my question!
Guest newcomer Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Can some one tell me how we get grizels & pieds.
THE FIFER Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Can some one tell me how we get grizels & pieds.if you have a grizzle pair it to a blue bar,
JohnQuinn Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Can you breed a chequer from 2 blues? Can you breed a blue bar from 2 chequers? NO and YES.
JohnQuinn Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 if you have a grizzle pair it to a blue bar, Why do you say this Fifer? Only Curiosity.out of a book giving colours, and it brings those light blue grizzles
OLDYELLOW Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Grizzles to gay pied breed nice grizzles however i'm with archie on this blue to grizzle although there be more blues than grizzles but they do look nicer Pied variations are just feathers lacking pigment
JohnQuinn Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Why do you say this Fifer? Only Curiosity.out of a book giving colours, and it brings those light blue grizzles I see. Cheers. I've 2 grizzles in the loft for the first time in 20 odd years that is why i was asking.
THE FIFER Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 I see. Cheers. I've 2 grizzles in the loft for the first time in 20 odd years that is why i was asking. I think John it was to get the blue grizzles, was the main thing
OLDYELLOW Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 the thing with grizzles if you pair them together you get dilute whites ( grizzles with very little colour ) and if you continue down this path you'l end up with whites , so its better to pair lighter grizzles back to full colours , if you want two grizzles together there better from darker coloured grizzles so as not to end up with too much white
OLDYELLOW Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 as for the can question asked I've had light chequers from 2 blue bars before it all depends on what they've been bred from , if was from a pure blue barred family i'd say not possible, although two blue bars one carrying spread can breed blacks
JohnQuinn Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 The Ck of the pair i have is 95% white, with black tips to his Flights and Tail. The hen i had in mind for him is a Blue Ch, what is this pair liable to produce Colour wise i mean? The Hen is a "normal" grizzle with plenty of black pattern over white, this hen is going to a Blue Ck.
OLDYELLOW Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 you'l get either cheq pied or dark grizzles as the colour is dark on the grizzle , with most ybs from grizzles you'l get one light other darker other pair could breed a variety of colours Blues , blue pieds dark grizzles , blue grizzle
Guest mick bowler Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 as for the can question asked I've had light chequers from 2 blue bars before it all depends on what they've been bred from , if was from a pure blue barred family i'd say not possible, although two blue bars one carrying spread can breed blacks I have a blue hen bred from 2 chequers. Now i bred some late ones from this blue paired to another blue (bred from 2 blues), never took too much notice until i went to pair them late ones up recently and noticed one of them was a cheq. Now i have just checked my book and there was no other cheqs in the section when i bred these late ones, i thought at first a cheq cock must of jumped the hen first, but now just looking like a throw back to its grandparents, if this is possible?
JohnQuinn Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 you'l get either cheq pied or dark grizzles as the colour is dark on the grizzle , with most ybs from grizzles you'l get one light other darker other pair could breed a variety of colours Blues , blue pieds dark grizzles , blue grizzle Good man, Cheers.
OLDYELLOW Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 I have a blue hen bred from 2 chequers. Now i bred some late ones from this blue paired to another blue (bred from 2 blues), never took too much notice until i went to pair them late ones up recently and noticed one of them was a cheq. Now i have just checked my book and there was no other cheqs in the section when i bred these late ones, i thought at first a cheq cock must of jumped the hen first, but now just looking like a throw back to its grandparents, if this is possible?I'd go with that as the paternation can be carried recessive just like spread can be carried but not seen , so although the patern / colour breeding chart accounts for full colours theres always exception to the rules as throw backs can occur such as two blues breeding a ash pigeon
Guest mick bowler Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 I'd go with that as the paternation can be carried recessive just like spread can be carried but not seen , so although the patern / colour breeding chart accounts for full colours theres always exception to the rules as throw backs can occur such as two blues breeding a ash pigeon Cheers! Also just noticed that there was 3 cheqs and 1 blue from the 2 pairs i had late ones from, so has to be a throw back, even if i had mixed rings up, one still had to be a cheq.
JohnQuinn Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 I paired nest brother & sister together last season, both pencil blue pigeons. 3 out of 4 Youngsters were Chocolate/recessive red. The one i've got left moulted out and is 70% white now.
Guest youngboy Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 last year i out a cheq to a blue and got a blue and a dark cheq pied also put a blue and cheq together and got smokey blue and a cheq pied
OLDYELLOW Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Cheers! Also just noticed that there was 3 cheqs and 1 blue from the 2 pairs i had late ones from, so has to be a throw back, even if i had mixed rings up, one still had to be a cheq.obviously been more dominate in the gene pool causing the throw backs , i usualy find within my old family that when i got full colours from grizzles these tended to be good birds , so i like throw backs
tony133 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 Hi Mick.I think this lots about right mate,but there's always one that catches you out. Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens Cheq x Cheq = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Lindsay where do slateys/schailes come from or how are they bred?
Guest mick bowler Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 where do slateys/schailes come from or how are they bred? They come from WLG and you should know how they bred by now!
tony133 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 They come from WLG and you should know how they bred by now! as soon as a clicked "add reply" i thought why have i just typed that
Guest beautyhomer Posted January 10, 2011 Report Posted January 10, 2011 chequer is dominant over bar so you will never breed a cheq from 2 blues.However it is possible to breed blue bars from a pair of chequers.Spread is also dominant so it cannot be carried,if a blue pigeon has the spread gene it must express it and therefore be black.
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