van reet eyes pics

[Guest]

Jack, many thanks for that but I thought on your video you said it was not possible to sex by the eyes and sorry I was not refering to the eye cere I was referring purely to the eye.

Jack I have nothing but respect for you and I think you are one of the top men in the world and your all round knowledge of the pigeon is incredible.

For me I will declare that other than Mr Carney I am probably the only person that knows the secret of the eye because sexing is a fundamental part of this (using the eye itself).

I have kept a fairly low profile for several years but would be happy to be tested in a controlled environment against any other evaluator of pigeons using the eye. The secret is Bill Carney's though he has never imparted his knowledge to me but I have been lucky enough to have the man visit my loft the last time was in 2004. He and his father discovered it and it is not mine to disclose.

 

Best wishes to all

[Guest anthony]

 

In the past I was a great beliver in eyesign.When you start reading a lot about

one subject and finding that some writers nearly make a fool of you believing in the subject(eyesign)you start  asking yourself wether you are on the right track or not.I made the mistake not to understand that eyesign is a tool and at least it has to be used like one.Some writers like Jack Barkel makes me think and going back to my records concerning my own birds I found that a lot of what he says is true,if you belive or not,that is something else.Religions are there, some belive some dont.What I have learned is that in our world there is a space for everyone.

Pigeons in my loft has to have a pearl eye for short distance and nearly almost yellow eyes for the longer ones. this is very constant and it  is the easy part of the eye which everyone can see.Here we are not that fortunate to have what you call home blow races.every race is difficult and again nobody talks about the second pigeon to come.I keep a very low profile on the eyesign especialy in the club house,sometimes I cant explain what I am seeing and I prefare not to talk,but I have a very good sense of observation

To be onest I have made mistakes when I was young,but I learned my lesson,Tools are there to be used.

[Guest]

Anthony, agree 100% and Jack Barkel is a great pigeon man and I have nothing but admiration for the work he has done and the videos and books he has produced. But let me say I don't believe in eye sign, I do believe in studying the eye as an entity. If anyone wants to learn aboiut the eye I would suggest studying your own birds and look at the performance birds and the rubbish ones and then start to compare, you will learn about your own birds and their capabilities

[Guest]

Anthony you aren't 'Gatt bros' are you, I know in the past, a couple of years back when I purchased a couple of birds on PIPA I had to outbid them. And these days when I look at the auctions, they often bid on the birds I would pick if I was bidding

[ransom50]

Hi Jack good to hear from you my friend. Interested in your comments. One question Jack I know you clearly stated before that you could not sex pigeons by their eyes, have you changed your opinion on this?

As to the type of eye, well you can't go against what's winning. The whole purpose of evaluation by the eye is to be able to pick the 'horses for courses'. No they aren't distance birds but the question was for evaluation and where as I agree Jack 100% about his opinions on creating a family that wins form 50/600, he has not given an evaluation on these birds but simply condemned them because he thinks they are sprinters. The fact is that this is not such a family but it will get fierther than 150, 05/85 will for example get 350 mile.

As Jack says no offence intended, but evaluation was asked for not a generic opinion about the merits of up north pigeons. So was I very very lucky and did I win the lottery last night or do I know what I'm talking about?

I'll answer that myself when Jack lets me know if he believes you can sex by the eye.

Jack one other point as to racing I think you are spot on it would be lovely to return to a situation where classic racing was the b all but sadly this is not the case.

I'm down in Devon now Jack and fly east to west our old bird race program in the WECA next year is to Ramsgate (180 to me) every race inland. This has prompted me to look for an out and out sprint family. I have a rule now that I never bring in 'blind', however I have just broken this rule because a sprint family that has been breeding winners for 3 decades has become available and I trust the seller.

Jack I have some beautiful distance birds, to many now, and if I had the facility would put eye photos on, you would be drooling!!

I am very lucky I have acquired 5 pair of Billy Napper birds this autumn, no pedigrees just decades of winning and class, looking forward to send them over the water!

like i said albear  you were 99%correct you know what you are looking for.

 

[Guest]

Thank you Ransom, the crunch is I think being able to match the birds by distance and velocity, because if a fancier wants a sprint family, then its no good if you can only select those that will win on hard days, we don't get many of those and I know from when I lived in Yorkshire most sprints were won at 1400/1600, so there's no point in breeding a family that will score at 1000

[ransom50]

Thank you Ransom, the crunch is I think being able to match the birds by distance and velocity, because if a fancier wants a sprint family, then its no good if you can only select those that will win on hard days, we don't get many of those and I know from when I lived in Yorkshire most sprints were won at 1400/1600, so there's no point in breeding a family that will score at 1000

 

the family of van reets i have win on any wind they have to else they wouldnt be here.they have to get abt there job from leaving the crate racing to my loft location in the middle of club radius and into the west!no time for followers here.the eyes are of a few stock birds/racers 93v dam g.dam,g,g,dam to winners up to 1st open snrpc,95 mds 10x1st 4x1st fed breeds em for fun also the g,sire of 1st open snfc 04 ;D ;D

[Guest]

Yes but you have to have variety within the family, so that you can win on hard days, normal days and fast days and you without doubt have that. There was one eye that I must admit I was not quite sure of, it looked to me that either it was a cross or a completely different line, because there was more distance in this cock and he would go out to 500 mile? This was 02/260

[john robo]

keep it up David Blaine  

[Guest]

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[Guest anthony]

Anthony you aren't 'Gatt bros' are you, I know in the past, a couple of years back when I purchased a couple of birds on PIPA I had to outbid them. And these days when I look at the auctions, they often bid on the birds I would pick if I was bidding

 

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[superstar]

Ransom do you not have any yellow or nut brown eyes in your birds? Just curious to know and wonder if you have what value you place on them? All very interesting this to pass a winter evening but it is a bit like fortune telling really, you can always read something into whats written. The challenge would be to select a pairs of birds from unrung "streeters" that  produce champions, then I would be interested! What would you "Eyesign men make of a pigeon with odd eyes, by that I mean a yellow eye one side and the other a dark violet and I mean dark violet not a bull eye?

[swilcox]

This is new to me and im a little septic however im interested and willing to listen.

 

Could some body tell me if they believe the following pigeon would breed? and what sort of distance would this sprinter fly to?

[swilcox]

What about the eye Albear?

[Guest]

Hi Superstar I for one don't believe in eye sign.

Hi Stuart I'm not out to convert anyone, you stay sceptic, its your right: by the way you'r taking the pee aren't you, you know as well as I do this is a terrific distance pigeon at velocities of 1000 yds the type Jack was referring to and it will breed. But Stuart as your a sceptic, what do you want to know for, if I'm right you'll stay a sceptic and if i get it wrong : you'll say I told you so.

[swilcox]

Albear, just to clarify i dont dout the benifits of good eyed pigeons, its the bit about telling what distances they can fly, but im all ears so can someone explain the mechanics of it?

[Guest]

Stu, soorry don'yt know if you saw the modified post. But let me say I'm not on here to prove anything , I know what I know and what I can do using the eye. So I won't be commenting on anymore. My point is there are a lot who write and prophes to know and actually I doubt they do (and I'm not referring to Jack Barkel who I hold in the highest respect) and I would happily take them on ina controlled envirionment and of course I suppose change some peoples minds.

But as I've done it with you Stu, how did I get on 100% failure?

[swilcox]

No problem Albear!!!!

 

Good luck with the Beute Cock, he has got a very strong eye as im sure your aware, and the bloodline to match. One thing i will say about his young, they were always the first sold out an avairy of 200 plus pigeons, if i get any reports back i will let you know.

 

Last year i sold a similiar pigeon to a guy in Cornwall for a very modest price, it was a cheq hen. Last month i had the pleasure of telling him that a youngster from that pigeon was in the running for ACE pigeon of all holland, he was Ace pigeon in the combine, and Sector 1000+ members!!! and was being voted on in the Best of the Best competion!!!!!!

 

 

Stuart

 

 

[Guest]

Ok Stu, you pressed me for my comments on the eye pic, you can let everyone know whether I was right or not.

As to the cock at Aberdare, I was not sold on it as much as my partner but you have without question access to some fantastic stock. I didn't look at the eyes of your distance stuff because we were looking for a sprinter but there were some class pigeons on display and I've no doubt there were a couple of goldmines there.

 

[Matthew]

so what was the real answer to wot kind of distance tht the pigeon can fly, n stuart has this pigeon flown the distance at 1000 ypm like albear said.

[swilcox]

This pigeon is what Chris Little would call a Long Distance Sprinter, he was 1st National St Vincent 37,239b flying 663 miles, he was recorded on the automatic ETS at 4.40 am but was clocked 50 mins later at 5.30 am. Remember it was a late lib. He won the race by over a 100 metres a minute!!!! in terms of breeding all i can say is we would never sell one they are that important to our future!!!!!!!!!

 

Stuart

[Guest]

Stuart may I add just add one more comment to this fine cock, it's extremly hard to judge by a pic and never a good idea, I didn't want to say that earlier because you'd have thought I was coping out. But from what I can see this is going to be  difficult cock to mate successfully,I would need to see him to judge properly but he looks a better racer than breeder, his eye is just starting to go for breeding purposes however if I put my glass on him I may well find this not to be the case, I would be looking for a hen with a lot less iris than him and preferably nut brown or  white/pearl/violet based eye amongst many other things.

[swilcox]

His best young was paired onto a green eyed hen, they have been sensational in the stock loft!!!

 

We are very lucky in the fact that we chuck 19-20 green eyed pigeons every year which makes selecting pairs much easieras we tend to breed alot of Golden Eyes.

 

Stuart

[Guest]

Stu, colour is not important other than blending for strength, and of course green is a miriad of colours in conventionl eye sign terms, the iris is far more important for this guy,you are a lucky man to have such quality. I should add to not to mislead anyone, this cock would win at 1000 ypm but his strength is that he is a very fast cock that will fly 14/15 hours on the wing at 1200 ypm

[Mr Staff Van Reet]

SWILCOX

THIS EYE WILL WIN RACES AND BREED RACERS BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT TO SOMTHING LIKE ANY ONE OF RANSOM50 EYES TO KEEP THE BREEDING I THINK THAT THE BIRD WOULD FLY 300 350 BUT WOULD STRUGGLE IN LONGER RACES AND IT WOULG STRUGGLE IF IT WAS A HARD DAY NEEDS MORE IN THE IRUS 2 FLAT,NO MOUNTINS!!!!

IF YOU CONDITION A PIGEON RIGHT ITS GOT A CHANCE!!!