van reet eyes pics

[ransom50]

a selection of our van reet eyes evaluations please ;D ;D

[schouwman71]

are they all related bud, would take em all,bet they have bred winners easy.

[hazz2000]

not bad, no2 is a belter, some class there

[schouwman71]

No 4 is a real cracker ,nice 5th circle there,whats it bred.i like my janssens to have this type of eye as they always breed the fast ones.

[westy]

nice eyes 2nd from last i like.

[ACE LOFTS]

i like the first 1st picture.

[Guest]

05z85 great dual purpose pigeon, will always have a go in all conditions, a top hen that will breed many winners. 95 MDs another great dual purpose pigeon, but when racing very good in headwinds hard days, bred many winners. MDS02 a  good breeder of fast pigeons.

A very nice bunch but hard to give an accurate analysis by picture you really do need to see the 'real' eye to be accurate

[pigeonpete]

just hope they all got another eye to go with it lol ;D ;D means nowt to me

 

[ransom50]

05z85 great dual purpose pigeon, will always have a go in all conditions, a top hen that will breed many winners. 95 MDs another great dual purpose pigeon, but when racing very good in headwinds hard days, bred many winners. MDS02 a  good breeder of fast pigeons.

A very nice bunch but hard to give an accurate analysis by picture you really do need to see the 'real' eye to be accurate

 

very accurate;how did you know 85 is a hen?

[superstar]

The last one will do for me

[Guest]

you can sex pigeons by their eyes. How accurate ?

[ransom50]

you can sex pigeons by their eyes. How accurate ?

 

i would say you were 99% correct in your comments, ;D ;D

[schouwman71]

I WOULD SAY 95MDS WOULD BE GOOD ON HARD DAYS BUT IN CLEAR WEATHER.THE OLD GOLD EYES ARE VERY GOOD ON MERCKY DAYS AND HEAD WINDS.

[Jack Barkel]

Hello All,

 

I cannot believe that the English fancier of which I used to be a part of would on the whole go for this type of eye or pigeon. It is the signal or death knell for the quality of pigeon that made Britain famous. These eyes are the eyes of fast short distance blow home pigeons that would not fly out of sight on a dark night, unless assisted by being in a pack.

 

The correlation between the adaptation and iris is far too wide, the iris has gaps in it where the correlation runs through all over the place. These are not the type of Up North Combine Pigeons that I knew, that could win from Selby to Bourges without any difficulty. We are creating a situation where overseas fanciers will not come to England to buy good classic pigeons, this has already happened in Belgium, and will I foresee, become the case in England. In my opinion we need to get away from breeding pearl to pearl and maintain the evenly balanced strong yellow eyes in our selected pairings. I myself find these eyes all weak in construction with the exception of one.

 

We would never find these eyes in the old Barkers, Logan's, Kirkpatrick's, or the Belgium Andre van Bruaenes, Cattryse, etc. I am not trying to be otherwise or difficult, but feel I must point out that these eyes are not the Best Of British by any means.

 

I would like to see Britain return to the days when classic performers are the desire of everyone and not the sprinters. When I was a youngster in the North of England we flew milers, they flew very low at a mile a minute and were clocked for individual speeds with a stop watch. We managed to breed them out after the second world war, but I am afraid we will soon be back to breeding milers, except for the one or two purists that will continue to try and breed all distance, any weather, all round pigeons.

 

I hope no one will take offence at me expressing my opinion on these eyes and how I perceive the breeding techniques to be regressing in certain parts of the world.

 

Regards to all.

 

Jack

[Guest anthony]

Thank you for answereing Jack.after I went thrue all your explanation about the eyes,Iwas very uncertain about what I understood,when seeing these eyes.Hope no one is offended,not my style

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Anthony,

 

Apart from 02-3835, the irisis are very weak, I have no doubt that that particular pigeon paired onto a yellow eye of similar quality will breed very acceptable pigeons, but to pair such eyes back together they will certainly regress even further. I still feel that the Busschaerts of England are the best all rounders in the world today, although even they have been injected with a lot of sprint bloodlines in the last ten years or so. Stick to what I have stated in the past Anthony and you will not be dissapointed.

 

With every respect, although not in agreement, with those who wish to breed short distance fast pigeons.

 

Regards

 

Regards

Jack

[snowy]

my opinion too jack & all,

i just dont think there is nothing special about a fast pigion that flys 150-300 miles.

but a pigeon that flys 500-700 miles thats never been there before is absolutly remarkable & magical.

just my opinion.

it seems that people are breeding out the actual HOMING PIGEON

and breeding a FAST pigeon.

regards & no offence to people who want to win the short fast races.

[Guest]

Hi Jack good to hear from you my friend. Interested in your comments. One question Jack I know you clearly stated before that you could not sex pigeons by their eyes, have you changed your opinion on this?

As to the type of eye, well you can't go against what's winning. The whole purpose of evaluation by the eye is to be able to pick the 'horses for courses'. No they aren't distance birds but the question was for evaluation and where as I agree Jack 100% about his opinions on creating a family that wins form 50/600, he has not given an evaluation on these birds but simply condemned them because he thinks they are sprinters. The fact is that this is not such a family but it will get fierther than 150, 05/85 will for example get 350 mile.

As Jack says no offence intended, but evaluation was asked for not a generic opinion about the merits of up north pigeons. So was I very very lucky and did I win the lottery last night or do I know what I'm talking about?

I'll answer that myself when Jack lets me know if he believes you can sex by the eye.

Jack one other point as to racing I think you are spot on it would be lovely to return to a situation where classic racing was the b all but sadly this is not the case.

I'm down in Devon now Jack and fly east to west our old bird race program in the WECA next year is to Ramsgate (180 to me) every race inland. This has prompted me to look for an out and out sprint family. I have a rule now that I never bring in 'blind', however I have just broken this rule because a sprint family that has been breeding winners for 3 decades has become available and I trust the seller.

Jack I have some beautiful distance birds, to many now, and if I had the facility would put eye photos on, you would be drooling!!

I am very lucky I have acquired 5 pair of Billy Napper birds this autumn, no pedigrees just decades of winning and class, looking forward to send them over the water!

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

just hope they all got another eye to go with it lol ;D ;D means nowt to me

 

same opinion as you pete as long as they have two,  i have not got a clue about anything you can tell by looking at their eyes

[pigeonpete]

about time you agreed with me tammy!! ;D

[Guest TAMMY_1]

about time you agreed with me tammy!! ;D

 

are you trying to say i disagree with people   ?   :o > > >

 

[pigeonpete]

would i say that mate? do you think you do? 8)

[Guest TAMMY_1]

would i say that mate? do you think you do? 8)

 

                             no                             very rarely

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Albear and All,

 

Although I can give a fairly accurate guess how a bird will perform in the races by evaluating the eye, it has never been my intention to try and improve on what the basket will tell us. However I use the eye to evaluate and pair compatible birds together to produce at least seven times more  good birds than the general statistical average throughout the world, this being at the moment 7%. If I could not improve this alarming statistic for myself and others by seven times more I would cease to select and evaluate birds. I have no doubt that 05/85 will be able to get 350 miles in a tail wind, but never when the going is less than 1000 yards per minute, and as for breeding, I would never let it loose in the stock loft. Only time will tell if it does not get lost before then.

 

I can understand breeding short distance sprinters where there is little extreme distance competition, but I honestly would like to see the practice stop in many parts of the world where it is not necessary. Sprint champions are forgotten in very quick time while the classic winners are remembered for decades.

 

I evaluate pigeons as to their breeding potential and that is why these particular eyes persuaded me to give a generic opinion rather than a personal opinion on each.

 

I must also add that I have never ever stated that I could not sex pigeons by their eyes. In fact it is on record on several sites on the internet for many many years where I have described this clearly with photos. I even wrote about it in my book, showing where the eye cere on most cocks are rounded whilst the eye cere of a hen is mostly dished. This is not 100% accurate as thirsty cocks can look as if their eyes are dished, and many other reasons for this not always being accurate. I evaluate in the region of 1000 birds per month, any less than that and I cannot earn a decent living, for this is my avocation and not my vocation.

 

Just to say as long as they have two eyes is good enough, is not by any means good enough with those who take selection and breeding seriously in the sport. It takes two very good pigeons to produce a champion and therefore four very good eyes to make such a champion.

 

Anyone may have a haphazard guess at selecting for the sport, this I do not mind as long as one enjoys what they are doing. However I will always strive to change the outlook of those who show a generic regression in the classic pigeon by producing the birds that I feel are not worthy of an evaluation and who make a concerted effort to convince others that there is merit in breeding such specimens.

 

Once again this is my honest opinion and feelings on the matter, and although I can live with those that differ from my opinions, I will never concede from my beliefs just to keep the peace, only hoping that others will look at my writings as closely and open minded as I have looked at theirs.

 

Eye sign people unlike scientists, inventors and biologists can very rarely, agree and so do not pool their recourses. They are continually fighting for the top perch and trying to prove themselves superior to one another. This as gotten eye-sign into disrepute and disbelief on countless occasions and will prove detrimental to improvement in the sport for years to come. They never pool their recourses and never will in my opinion, but some of us will continue to try and dismantle the incorrect aspects of eye sign or iridology and make it a more acceptable and believable subject.

 

Once again I hope this letter will be perceived in the manner it was written and that is to take the sport on this subject one step further. I wish no accolades for what I write or do, these were recorded in the days when I was competitive. I now live my life under the trees in the shade from the bright sunshine watching my pigeons and looking forward to the many fanciers who visit me from local areas and many parts of the world. It is  this later life of repose and delightful visits that I feel I have earned, and which is ample reward for my efforts.

 

Regards to All,

Jack

[Guest]

Anthony

 

I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on eyesign as all your races are over water