Todays pigeons better or worse ?

[ch pied]

hi albear  they don't race any further then vannes or nantes now , into the middle of the provience  485ml  , the north coast fancier's have another 50ml or so to go' some of the hardes't birds about' but this is my own  view  other's may differ

[ch pied]

with ref to my last post, the INFC  has taken a step back ward , but man would be nice no lib's before 12 noon &not  a race pont shorter than 550ml to the shortes't member, we have fancier's that can do this . they are few  yes but what ! pigeon's what fancier's just my view.

 

[pigeonscout]

Rose

what I was trying to say was it all depends on the weather you could get a bird from 500 with a nice tail wind but the same bird would not make it in a 250 with strong head wind. Most birds can fly 8 hours even young birds so depending on how fast the race is well decide how much ground they cover. if a bird can fly at 50mph in a still wind it will cover 400 miles in 8 hours. if a tail wind is pushing it 30mph faster it will be doing 80mph and cover 640 miles in 8 hours but if it has a head wind slowing it down by 30mph it will be doing 20mph and cover only 160 miles in 8 hours. So depending on the wind it can be a 640 winner or a 160 winner so what do we call it a sprinter or distance bird?

[ch pied]

pigeonscout. take it or leave it ,if you belive all you hear' you will eat allyou can see

[Guest]

Scout in my mind to possible, a linford christie genetic/type bird will not do 600 mile with a fast tail wind, it has two problems, a) the ability to orientate from that distance (though it could be dragged along.....but if it is class then it will be out in front and snookered) and flying for 10 hours on the wing , it ain't capable even though it is not arduous.

I know you believe in genetics , you can see the different physical kmake up of a 100 yd sprinter to a marathon man, its their genetic make up that makes thm so digfferent but also so good. Linford Christie running 26 miles down hill all the way with wind behind him might get home, just like your sprinter out of race time!!

[Guest Silverwings]

agree with albear, pigeons with powerfull muscles and a slow respiration count of around 24 min are better equiped for short bursts of speed ,those with softer muscles and a higer count make up a large proportion of the better distance pigeons ,just a personal view though ? ......ray

[pigeonscout]

Think you miss my point, The distance a bird fly's in any given time depends on the wind.

If a man sends 10 birds to a 500 mile races and they fly home with the help of a tail wind he can say he has 10 distance birds, If he sends the same ten birds to a 500 mile race with a strong head wind and only one comes home did he only have 1 distance bird.

[gangster]

scout you need to get out more i never realised you were this intelligent ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Wiley]

yea scout have to agree there mate

[Roland]

Yes ... or pigeon that lacked the constition that matter.

[pigeonscout]

What would you call the distance bird? the bird that can fly 500 mile with a 40mph tail wind or the bird that can fly 250 mile into a 40mph head wind?

[Guest Vic]

Without doubt, I can honestly say,  that in my opinion,  reliable 500 milers (fast races or slow) is down to the guy who feeds em.   Vic.

 

[Guest]

Scout, get your point, I think you miss mine, no matter how easy the race, the pigeon does not have the physical capability to keep the wing flapping for 10 hrs

[Guest Silverwings]

Dont think distance is so much of the problem scout its whether the birds are capable of doing the hours

 

agree with this 100 % rose

[pigeonscout]

I also agree with you rose it is hours but to fly hours you need the right fuel so I also agree with vic. Let me make this clear I don't think every bird could be made to fly the same time on the wing no matter what its is fuel. A bird that fly's fast over 250 has a good chance of winning a 500 with a helping wind and a bird that can stay the distance can win a 250 if the going is hard. Another way I will put it is some people think they have distance birds because they get one from 500 with a tail wind are they right or wrong.

[pigeonscout]

My birds do more than their fair share of winning up the land but I can still get them from france 480 mile hartogs.

[Guest]

Scout breed is irrelevant, quality is what counts, however great too have a family cause genetically you know they should breed true!

[Ronnie]

If Linford christie changed his diet and training methods would he be able to run a marathon ?i think he would, could he win a marathon? maybe..Would he have the will power is more the question i think.

Going back to the white rump pigeon.Could this be natures way of making a false eye like butterflies wings ,i mean at 300+ miles an hour a white hole may look like a big giant eye lol just a thought.

[pigeonscout]

Todays pigeons are better why because they are still here the bad ones have all gone.