on line off line?

[Roland]

About sums it up Vic. The stadard joke, 'Only those in the East are good flyers'.

It is marvellous how are the flyers are moved to or born on the East Sid.

Mr Dean Pallet came back with a great vengence.... Then moved over to the West Side. So naturally as he says, Won't win nothing from here, and as I  have to be winning to sale birds etc. I have to pack up.

Yet latent, blatant untruths are smirched in to try and kid, con us other wise. Just look at the wind and the results in any Big Concern or specialist club and place a pin on the map. End of story lol.

[Guest Vic]

Roland,

           All open races have southerly, easterly and northern boundaries, yet declare quite unashamedly. OPEN TO THE WEST. I wonder why? ;D ;D ;D  

                                                                                                      Vic.

[Roland]

Yep Vic, as our Fed Sec often quotes 'We would quite willing open our Boundries ... all the way  to Bristol if any one wants'!

[Guest]

While I respect your views on positional advantage, I think individual fanciers have to be careful that they do not use it as an excuse for their not winning.

 

Again I can only give you limited personal experience on racing into my own area, Central Scotland: in my club, a few years back, one of the most dominant fliers said in company that a national race would never be won into our area.

 

His reason? We fly a dog-leg. Our direct southern approach is blocked by The Pentlands, a range of hills lying on an East/West axis and stretching West from Midlothian (behind Edinburgh City) to Lanarkshire, (Forth village near Carstairs ). There are no roads going over or thro these hills, the A71 & A702 roads run parallel to it, on the Northern and Southern sides.. the birds track East coast   then do a hard-left over Jimmy White's place   into the Forth Valley and a further 20 miles West to get home.

 

Well in 2005

 

(1) Frank Tarnawski, High Valleyfield, which is a couple of miles to the NE from me just across the River Forth (and whose race sheet I racemarked at Boness marking station) won SNFC Alencon race, flying 550 miles;

 

(2) Scott Gibson, Avonbridge, which is a couple of miles to the SW of me, won SNFC Falaise race, flying 514 miles.

 

 

So a National HAS been won on either side of my loft, in different sections but both lofts in the centre of the country so to speak, between the 'unfavourable' West section and the 'favourable' East section. So the lesson is clear in my opinion, that if you have the birds and you know how to fly them, they WILL win, irrespective of loft position.

 

 

 

 

[Roland]

Yes obviously Bruno... it will be, and is limited, though though these smidgens are often used as a way of trying to say 'Wind' is of a relevance.

That is why we and animals shelter from it!

Again I notre that the 2005 results are longer Middle distance results. They were superb birds undoubtedly.

Northants Fed has a East and West sections.  Only in East Winds do the West Section Ever shine. I am in the middle, 20 miles either side. NO wind is best for me, or a head wind. Mostly top 20 Fed results are Raunds or Corby. But then of course it is mostly West in the Wind. Northants / Brixworth / Wellingborough etc. exell of course when there is East in the Wind. Week in and Week out this proves to be the case. Sometimes, just sometimes with a decent wind for us Buron etc. will come up of course... but then of course them days of favourable conditions are in them selves a rarity.

And I agree 100% one mustn't make the wind an excuse... But that is seldom applicable, because we know after most Liberation where the winner will be... Like yorseles!

[jimmy white]

would like to know where the winner would be from nantes 605 miles to me ,, yes we know where the winner should be ,,,but not allways so,, brunos post says just that,, there was also a good winner just north of bruno at bo ness ,,,beglin bros, with high noon,, and theres been many more in the west , you wont get much further west when kennedy won rennes nat. with culzean victory,,,really top class pigeons in top class condition will shine,,wherever they are ,, but as i said b4 there are favourites, odds on shots,, but they can be beaten

[Roland]

Yes of course Jimmy ... when the wind is such an hinderance, or even may help. 'Can't get much west than that' was it a wind with no west in it....

[Guest Vic]

Jimmy,

           The easterly advantage I was referring to, mainly concerns Inland racing.

Our Amal birds avoid the water jump (the Mersey) before touchdown, if the wind is westerly, and approach from a  south  south easterly direction. The birds from the channel dont arrive in droves, as in inland racing, and have time to sort themselves out. But after saying that, if two birds were together, on the run in, coming from a SSE direction, the most easterly loft will definitely be the winner. In tail winds, when the birds are high up, the birds do appear to come from a more southerly direction. In my own mind, there is no argument whatsoever, where the advantage lies in the majority of races. The sad part is, that most easterly flyers with these vantage points, seem loath to admit it.  Vic.

[mickmcgrevy]

there is a lot of truth in most of the previous posts, only a fool will say that the wind does not play its part in the result. However, I am of the opinion that the biggest influence is played by the drag of the birds, wether it be club / fed racing, or national.

 

To give an example, when I first joined the Midland National back in 1988, the south west sec was sending twice as many birds as either of the other three sections, one evening when we were waiting for the clocks to be set, I was sat with a very good fancier who had just joined, namely Alwyn Paddey, Im sure a lot of you will have heard of him. We were discussing the following days race and he said, we should do ok tomorrow its going to be a very strong west wind. I said, I don't think so it doesn't matter where the wind is, it will be won in the south west sec.

 

I could see by his expression he didn't agree, but what happened the following day, in a nearly gale force west wind,  you guessed it all the early birds were in the west.

 

This situation has been reversed in the last few years and the north easterly sections are sending the most, and what has happened?

 

All the best

 

Mick