what do you think

February 8, 2007

Hi all i was talking to another fancier today and he was telling me about an article he read once cant remember who by that looked at how different strains seem to race well in certain areas what do you think

barlbylofts · February 8, 2007

have had strains race well back home in norfolk and have won well. when i moved to yorkshire had other strain take over. so could be some truth in that.

pigeonscout · February 8, 2007

All of the top strains have raced well in every corner of the world.

Roland · February 8, 2007

Yes I heard tell, and read a bit like. I totally agree that birds from one terrain take a while to adapt. Also weathers etc. hardiness, and good constitions can only from good birds with good constitutions. Often remember the article regards Jim Biss.... Only ever took note of the birds constitution in regards breeding... and then goes on how he mated so and such with and crossed etc. Likewise the age old adage... Buy the best avalable in your OWN area of flying.

pigeonscout · February 9, 2007

But when Jim needed new blood he did not buy it local he got the best no matter where it was from. Two crosses he used was the Stichelbauts and the Super Crack lines. If you buy birds from the best local fancier your birds can only ever be as good as his. Better to get birds from a top fancier that is racing in stronger competition. If you want better pigeons than the best flyer in town then you will have to look outside town.

pigeonscout · February 9, 2007

Very few top flyers if any fly with local strains.

Beanz · February 9, 2007

When top flyers are asked for tips to new starters, they usually answer go to the top man in your area and try to buy some latebreds, now that to me says there is something in the statement by lplates. I also know that some strains of birds do not seem to perform in certain areas, but when they cross them they do.

Paul

February 9, 2007

One of the reasons for posting this thread was curiousity the other was because my 1st year i raced N 2nd year i raced S this year N&S when i was asked which i prefer i said S as i suffered fewer losses & birds came better i didnt know why same management BUT could it be because all my stock were from long distance channel flyers so therefore is the S road in there blood ?

Roland · February 9, 2007

Very few top flyers if any fly with local strains.

I know what you mean ... but Every top flyer is local to where they fly from lol....

pigeonscout · February 9, 2007

One of the reasons for posting this thread was curiously the other was because my 1st year I raced N 2nd year I raced S this year N&S when I was asked which I prefer I said S as I suffered fewer losses & birds came better i didnt know why same management BUT could it be because all my stock were from long distance channel flyers so therefore is the S road in there blood ?

Could it have been that the north road had more danger? or was harder racing because of wind direction? The next time a top local flyer tells you to get birds form a top local flyer ask him what strain he keeps. Can anyone tell me the name of one top ten UK flyer that races a strain of birds that were made local to him. Could it be that theses birds do not do well anywhere else because they are no longer flying into the golden mile? or a loft that is manages to prefection. Some times loft location plays a big part in a lofts results and when the same birds are ask to fly into a bad loft location then they are not so good. I have known fanciers that got a full round of young birds from the top local flyer and they never even got on the race result and that same top flyer won every thing there was to win with the brothers and sisters of theses same birds. There are a number of things that make a winning loft the birds are only one of them.

February 9, 2007

Don't know so much about going to top 'local' flyers, many of their adverts say 'no birds sold locally'. Don't think there is such a thing as a top local flyer, sounds like a bit of a contradiction.

Rod Adams at our club moot two years ago, said that the 'Scottish' 'type' of bird didn't do well racing in his area, .. the Up North Combine .. which in pigeon racing terms is joined onto Scotland at our SE border, and some Scottish Border lofts do compete in it.

I know that up here, one saying is always 'buy-in' from someone flying North of your loft.

So there is a belief amongst some that certain birds just won't do well in certain other areas.

carl · February 9, 2007

Good topic i agree with some of the post,,,but surely going to someone local flying great with there birds tells you these birds are good for that area as they are proving that by flying well with them.I belive good proven birds should win anywhere in the country.

I went to top local fanciers and got there best and these birds proved themselfs from the off,winners first nest.I have also birds from other areas of the country and fly well also..

Good pigeons will win anywhere

pigeonscout · February 9, 2007

Because someone gives his opinion does not make it true no matter how good he was or is racing pigeons. You have to look at the facts and the fact is most of the winning strains in the UK came from outside the UK. The household names in the sport went to far of fields to bring in new birds and it was these same birds that helped make them household names. Read some loft reports on top flyers and where their family of pigeons came from. I'm not saying you have to go to far of fields to get good birds as I believe the birds in the UK are as good as any in the world. I'm saying you don't need to buy local to win.

pigeonscout · February 9, 2007

Here is the top 10 form a UK one loft race and it shows that good birds no matter where they are from can fly to any loft no matter where it is. You will also see it was not a local bird that won but the best bird on the day.

1 BELGE 06 6005363 17:51:06.50

2 GB 06 Z 79503 17:51:50.35

3 IF 06 FCON 003 18:05:34.15

4 IHU 06 S 106798 18:13:29.50

5 GB 06 C 84454 18:41:52.55

6 GB 06 B 30008 18:50:27.80

7 NWHU 06 N 4832 19:05:46.30

8 WHU 06 S 13928 19:32:00.65

9 GB 06 B 11023 19:36:26.65

10 BELGE 06 6007561 19:36:49.55

February 9, 2007

wow canada is the home of hockey but yet we have not taken the cup in 15 years...

schouwman71 · February 9, 2007

Very good topic this,and some interesting comments,alsoi really wouldnt buy from a local fancier as he certainly wont let you have his best,and i certainly like pigeonscouts comments. ;D

February 9, 2007

I think that some strains suit some people and some dont have seen a particular strain race well in a area for one fancier and not for another and both are good flyers in there own right so it might not be the strain but the method (hard work/not so hard work? )