peter bryant vftr

Beanz · March 2, 2007

In this weeks VFTR Peter Bryant ends the bit on ETS with the words conventional clocks can still be used until further notice, why is there a need for the until further notice bit ? Is there a plan to phase out conventional clocks ?

Beanz

March 2, 2007

I hope not, our club has decided not to use ets yet because of the price.

Jason

THE FIFER · March 2, 2007

In this weeks VFTR Peter Bryant ends the bit on ETS with the words conventional clocks can still be used until further notice, why is there a need for the until further notice bit ? Is there a plan to phase out conventional clocks ?

Beanz

no its in the bhw today the same bit but has that conventional clocks will always be able for use.

Beanz · March 3, 2007

Fifer,

I know what it says but why the need for the until further notice, the other bit seems like an afterthought to me, a bit like the goverment when they let something out of the bag before they should.

March 3, 2007

i myself couldnt understand why there was the need for the line (untill further notice)...why make that statememnt unless it was or has been disscussed?...if the rule came out that only ets was used in the rpra then im sure there would be many resignations,through ppl not bein able to afford it and some through principle !.

i know there are a few ppl i know said that if there came a rule that only ets was used in the welsh union then they said they would pack in pigeons ....ets continues to be an arguementive point.....paul

Ian McKay · March 3, 2007

I think it would inadvisable for any Union to make Manual clocks obsolete.

The idea of ETS is to make things simpler for those that want it. NOT so ALL other clocks are made obsolete. If this was discussed it is WRONG without giving the members / Deligates some sort of advanced warning.

Wonder what other clock manufacturers make of this.

March 4, 2007

Ian, why are you worried about what othe clock makers think? With luck it may reduce the price of clocks. Clock manufacturers will only be at threat if we all convert to ETS. Clock makers have made huge profits out of us, I have no sympathy for them.

ETS has come in the back door. Not the right way in my opinion , however I think it will stop a lot of the controversy because of the advice given by Counsel over DDA.

Personally I am for progress and I'm glad it has come in and everyone has the option to have or to have not. The same as everyone has the option to pay thousands for M & D Evans birds or £20/£30 for the local champs in the next vilage. Both are discriminatory choices. If you have the money you can dabble with the best if you haven't then like probably 75% of the sport you have to cut your cloth.

May I just mention I am a bit concerned that Peter seems to have gone a bit quiet on A1, I hope that is not a sign for concern.

Ian McKay · March 4, 2007

Hi Albear

The ORIGINAL post from beanz was what I was replying to and the indication that conventional clocks may be phased out, how will this reduce the price of clocks?? This is what the ETS manufacturers would like then they have the market to themselves.

As for profits you seem to have more knowledge of this than me I NEVER mentioned profits

Why mention M&D Evans you seem to have a problem about certain people / Companys making a profit.

I am sure if you were in there position you would sell the birds for £20 / £30.and the band played believe it if you like ! ! ! !

We all know market forces and advertising dictate the price of the goods.

The manager of the RPRA is fighting a lossing battle on his own against an almighty force (and doing a good job in my opinion)

How many letters of support have you sent to the RPRA or DEFRA. I will guess. (none)

Thanks

Ian

pigeonscout · March 4, 2007

Looking at the sport in Holland is there any fanciers there who use conventional clocks? So I think it safe to say conventional clocks will be a thing of the past. I also think that it is wrong for a club to decide not to use ETS. If the RPRA have a rule saying its members can use ETS then all members of the RPRA have the right to use it. I do not see how a club can make a rule that is in direct contradiction of RPRA rules.

Could a club make a rule saying that only one member can race mark the birds and that there is no need for 5 members to be present? No as that would be breaking the RPRA rules. Not letting a member use ETS would also be breaking the rules.

March 4, 2007

It has already been said in one of my clubs that if anyone insists on using ETS in the said club, that many members would resign, wether action speak louder than words , would apply to this i dont know, this rule is going to cause a lot of arguments at club level up and down the country.

Roland · March 4, 2007

Spot on Allbear ... seems though that the clubs I am in won't be having them, couple said 'I'd like one, but don't wont to e the most unpopular in the club, lonely talking to our selve' ... but hen tomorow is another day. Will beslow taking off of course, but ... The line saying Glad it came in is the only part I would be hesitate about, for I wait with bated breathe as to those leaving. Now if the clubs, Fed stay as they are for now and evolve slowly then perhaps it is the only way to get it in, and as the older one give up, or pass on, then it will be viewed in another light altogether. I will definately not have one unless for training purposes, till the large majority are happy with it.

ticeye · March 4, 2007

Looking at the sport in Holland is there any fanciers there who use conventional clocks? So I think it safe to say conventional clocks will be a thing of the past. I also think that it is wrong for a club to decide not to use ETS. If the RPRA have a rule saying its members can use ETS then all members of the RPRA have the right to use it. I do not see how a club can make a rule that is in direct contradiction of RPRA rules.
Could a club make a rule saying that only one member can race mark the birds and that there is no need for 5 members to be present? No as that would be breaking the RPRA rules. Not letting a member use ETS would also be breaking the rules.

in holland and belgium around 65% of fanciers still use conventional clocks

tubbles · March 4, 2007

There have been rumblings i my club like i will not set any of them and that sort of thing but, it is not just at club level that this will hit everyone. If for example someone on "the golden mile" gets ETS and the weather helps them, they will have a lot drop together and SOME will go straight in. Now these clubs that say things like we aint havving them ETS things here, have cut they're own throats in Fed/Combine/National levels. It really is a shame, on one hand they are a great idea, the thought of disabled and old fanciers being able to clock at same speed as young runners but then on the other hand you have the huge outlay for system and computer to run them, which, will probably price it out of the hands of the old and disabled and suit more business minded fliers. :-/

March 4, 2007

Ian, you answered your own question suply and demand, less demand prices go down. As to companies M & D Evans are the leading brand as I see it at the mo?? So I've tried to compare leading brand to local champ? Can't see how I have an issue with M& D by such a comparison. I would we well chuffed to be in their position

March 4, 2007

Ian, I have writtento Defra, my mp , Ben Bradshaw and have spoken to them as well. I also pushed and pushed this time last year for comntinental racing posting on all the main sites

THE FIFER · March 4, 2007

Fifer,
I know what it says but why the need for the until further notice, the other bit seems like an afterthought to me, a bit like the goverment when they let something out of the bag before they should.

yes agree, really he is making 2 statements 1 until further notice 2 will always be in use.