LOW LIFES

[Roland]

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=2095158&sectionid=1109

Yes terrible.... another reason why I harp on about the practability of et's on such places, be a blooming rounf the clock exercise to make sure they are there  come Saturday morning. Once fixed must stay they,... or Set up before races under the President's & Secretaries watchful eye.

I feel for thse fanciers when this happens to the lofts...

[mark]

all those years of hard work i dont know what pigeon racing is coming to. i thought it was supposed to be a sport,

[Roland]

No it is classed as Poultry. No sport, hence - unless like 'Cock Fighting out lawed - still Poultry keeping.

[Guest CS]

Why does this keeps happening in the allotment areas ?

[Guest shadow]

Jealosy

[Guest]

I am really sorry that this has happened.  :'(

 

But for once, we have some reasonable press on it : its very sympathetic and shows a working man enjoying a peaceful hobby. The police are also treating the incident seriously and the scenes of crimes officers will have forensic to go on; bloody footprints, fingerprints , DNA etc.

 

And there's also Power in the Picture: reading something in the newspaper is not as powerful as seeing it on TV for example, in pictures. Ordinary people who have no concept of racing pigeons have a powerful image of what has been done here from this pic. I hope that it will cause somebody somewhere to pick up a phone and say: "I saw or I was told that X was responsible for this."

 

Has there been a reward for info put up? Does our Pigeonbasics fund cover that? £50 and they'll shop their Granny.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

TRAGIC, BUT DID YOU NOTICE THE OTHER PIGEON RELATED INCIDENTS ABOUT BIRDS BEING STOLEN AS WELL IN OTHER AREAS, REALLY SAD WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE LOFT TO SEE YOUR BIRDS KILLED ON THE FLOOR, I THINK THE MAN WAS A BIT LUCKY THEY NEVER KILLED ALL HIS BIRDS THOUGH I WOULD NOT CALL HAVING 20 BIRDS KILLED AS BEING LUCKY

[ticeye]

 

it would be nice to catch one of these b-----ds and cut his b---s off

then he would know what pain was

[Guest]

Found some hope from the link on the right side of the page (the link above) : 'Steering tearaways clear of crime' , "Victim reparation" being one of them, ie understanding what the act means to the victim, and amongst other things, making amends for it.

 

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/ViewArticle.aspx?ArticleID=2096884&SectionID=1109

[Guest CS]

Jealosy

 

Jealous over what???... cos he got the best pigeons ?

[Roland]

Yes Shadow seems you spout that indisplausible cobblers about 'Jealousy. Raised every time a #Not have / probably don't want' raises a concern or enquires after the truth. The ole potatoe 'Jealousy' crap is a misdeamor in it's self and used irrelevantly to hide a point. Sadly it is just liken to 'Wolf' now.

However was speaking to a mate in Canada as it was where he stayed and flew from when here - visited 3 years back now. Shadow I believeYes Bill, but it is the do gooder's that can't get a head around it! They live in 'Secluded and well crime provented area's with a POLICE nieghbourhood watch. And as long as they get a mention and a bit of fame/ publicity they are preturbed one Iota. Surely even a half wit can see that ALL crime, especially drug related, and suxual abuse keeps rising evry time the punishment  - so - called - is made more lenient.

aremember well some of our Scotish thugs cause a riot etc. at a football match, not here but the Isle of Wight or somewhere and they got the birch! The next week before the home crowd and the game starteing! Asked if they would do the same again they replied 'Won't go to the sle of Wight a gain, let alone another football game'! Was a time when a fella got birched for snaring a rabbit to help feed his starving  11 kids etc. - nearly a 100 ago now - and was caught again and flooged 6 months laters. The do - gooders argued in that case that the Birch didn't work as a detterent! If they spent their time and money helping to feed his kids, he wouldnt have gone again. Of course he had to risk it, no dole, no work...! And it gets worse as the punishment gets better and more lenient for them!

[Guest]

Yes Shadow seems you spout that indisplausible cobblers about 'Jealousy. Raised every time a #Not have / probably don't want' raises a concern or enquires after the truth. The ole potatoe 'Jealousy' crap is a misdeamor in it's self and used irrelevantly to hide a point. Sadly it is just liken to 'Wolf' now.

However was speaking to a mate in Canada as it was where he stayed and flew from when here - visited 3 years back now. Shadow I believeYes Bill, but it is the do gooder's that can't get a head around it! They live in 'Secluded and well crime provented area's with a POLICE nieghbourhood watch. And as long as they get a mention and a bit of fame/ publicity they are preturbed one Iota. Surely even a half wit can see that ALL crime, especially drug related, and suxual abuse keeps rising evry time the punishment  - so - called - is made more lenient.

aremember well some of our Scotish thugs cause a riot etc. at a football match, not here but the Isle of Wight or somewhere and they got the birch! The next week before the home crowd and the game starteing! Asked if they would do the same again they replied 'Won't go to the sle of Wight a gain, let alone another football game'! Was a time when a fella got birched for snaring a rabbit to help feed his starving  11 kids etc. - nearly a 100 ago now - and was caught again and flooged 6 months laters. The do - gooders argued in that case that the Birch didn't work as a detterent! If they spent their time and money helping to feed his kids, he wouldnt have gone again. Of course he had to risk it, no dole, no work...! And it gets worse as the punishment gets better and more lenient for them!

 

Can I pick up on two points, Roland?

 

(1) Thugs will pick-up on what's nearest & dearest to their victim, and have no hesitation in harming that to get back at the person, for even an imagined slight. Many moons ago I was directly involved in one such act of thuggery ... by an adult ... and stopped the juvenile get-even act before it even got started.

 

I was part of a gang walking the footpath along the banks of a burn behind the old Clyde Crane Works in Mossend. We followed the path ... right thro a hole in a wire netting fence. The next thing there was a guy wielding a stick (thick branch) giving us grief, we explained we were just out for a walk following the path, and started to leave the way we came in thro the hole in wire fence. Being the back marker of the group leaving and with my back to this guy, just about to step back thro the hole next thing I knew I was thwacked over the side by this guy, knocking me for six. Now in our eyes we'd done nothing wrong, and the whisper was lets come back and do the chickens (because we'd wandered into the bottom of a chicken run). Wasn't having any of that, but if they'd said lets go and get him, I know where the stick would have ended up.  ;D

 

(2) The birched yobbos were Scots guys. Remember it well. Also remember them getting back in trouble with the Law a few months later. So it didn't work. Got them on TV and made them famous for 5 minutes, and big men in their own and others eyes. Worst thing that could have happened.

[Webmaster]

Have only just got around to read this topic and view the story.

 

I feel devistated for Ged and all the work he and his dad put into the pigeons. I timed their cheq pied cock three years back on the second day from Bourges, to take a prominent position in the UNC result.

 

I feel doubly sad that this is another clubmate of mine that has had an attack on their loft or birds this year. Its a club of around 20 members, and in the last few months we've had 1 members loft burnt to the ground and now this.

 

I'd like to thank again to everyone involved with the auction; this is the type of situation we will be trying to help with.

[Guest shadow]

Yes Shadow seems you spout that indisplausible cobblers about 'Jealousy. Raised every time a #Not have / probably don't want' raises a concern or enquires after the truth. The ole potatoe 'Jealousy' crap is a misdeamor in it's self and used irrelevantly to hide a point. Sadly it is just liken to 'Wolf' now.

However was speaking to a mate in Canada as it was where he stayed and flew from when here - visited 3 years back now. Shadow I believeYes Bill, but it is the do gooder's that can't get a head around it! They live in 'Secluded and well crime provented area's with a POLICE nieghbourhood watch. And as long as they get a mention and a bit of fame/ publicity they are preturbed one Iota. Surely even a half wit can see that ALL crime, especially drug related, and suxual abuse keeps rising evry time the punishment  - so - called - is made more lenient.

aremember well some of our Scotish thugs cause a riot etc. at a football match,

 

here but the Isle of Wight or somewhere and they got the birch! The next week before the home crowd and the game starteing! Asked if they would do the same again they replied 'Won't go to the sle of Wight a gain, let alone another football game'! Was a time when a fella got birched for snaring a rabbit to help feed his starving  11 kids etc. - nearly a 100 ago now - and was caught again and flooged 6 months laters. The do - gooders argued in that case that the Birch didn't work as a detterent! If they spent their time and money helping to feed his kids, he wouldnt have gone again. Of course he had to risk it, no dole, no work...! And it gets worse as the punishment gets better and more lenient for them!

I am not trying to hide a point I have known good flyers that have been attacked not once but 3 times and when they found who had done it he was a pigeon flyer so try not to tar everybody with the same brush there is no way I class myself as a dogooder, and everybody is entitled to thier own opinions .

 

 

[Roland]

I saw last night that there are 30, 000 every week - end in this country... costs £3 . 5 billion. Saw on the Railways alone that idiots cause £1 . 5 milion per year. Then the millions foarked out for Shop lifting. 2 . Billion on drug rehabilitation, the Sex crimes etc. etc. ASOB cost an absolute fortune. Now I hear the Do - Gooders spout that we are better of retraining their minds to be good boys!EK! That prisons are warehouses to lock away undesirables etc.

Why NOT EH! they money they cost the country every year would be better of building hospital and prisons. AND still have money left over for more worthwhile things!

'Sorry yer hoe I was on Venus due to cocaine or what ever due  to having a great day house burgularling and made good money... otherwise I would have kicked the crap out of them old folks when I busted into their home'!

Instead of saying 100 hours community service it should be 'Sorry to here that... But for the original house breakings I have to send you away for 2 years. Now for the Aggravated burgurlary - I'm am sorry they were at  home to aggravate you, but 3 years, now that horible, unexcusable battering of the old people, 7 years. Now as you admit you were on drugs, I have to give you another 3 years all to run consecretively.  That means a total of 15 years. I also order that you do Drug rehibilatation when you come out and be tagged for 5 years. Take him down, and I desreve the CDM NOW AS i HAVE JUST SAVED THE TAX PAYER A SMALL FORTUNE AGAIN.

pS THERE ARE NO LONGER DRUGS ALLOWED IN PRISON ... BUT ALAS ALACK WE KNOW DRUGS ARE RIFE IN PRISON.

[Roland]

True Bruno... but didn't misbehave at them games no more. Yes Gang Fever can be rife when ripe.  But you know, everyone is born with a conscious and even as mites, when told say for instance, no more sweets, when they sneak one WE didn't knowuing it was wrong and did our best not to get caught. But even when getting away with, like many other things, we had guilty consciouses... Still do some time over a couple of incedences where I know I was in the wrong, and someone else sufferd when I supposedly got away with it! They know, but their conscouises are sealed. Can't rehabilitate that! Warehouse to lock them up and out of harms way, it is cheaper and obviously to any new would be offender a better deterrent!

[Roland]

Remember well the 'Villians' that were wiser always said 'Work out the price you pay if caught first ... then wiegh up id the time fits the crime. Today CRIME does pay and well everyone knows it. I often feel like sorting something when some one has hurt ones I care about for instance, but the moral groud has to be breached first. Inevidiably I let the course run. Yes I have the hole in the guyburning, and for two pins... But common sence prevails. As to what extent that is the case obviously depends... But I'd no more think of retailing against some one who has put the time in and effort. And certainly wouldn't harm any living creature in spite or otherwise. Yes if I was to eat what I killed then that in it's self justifies the means, like Fat Stock have a goose or turkey whatever. But most peoples minds have principles and very few indeed reap worthless revenge or an act of distruction through jealousy say! Many may pack up, others try harder and the likes of me are content to be Poultry keepers and the odd win is a bonus. Winter months to fuel dreams, and club nights to see who can tell the best porkies lol.

And this is the crux of most and their feeling over ET's.... those able are taking advantage over thos unable. Pure and simple in 99.9% of cases.

[Webmaster]

Further to my message above. I spoke to another of my clubmates last night and 10 pigeon lofts (all on the same alotments) were broken into the night of the story above; damage was done, but Geds were the only birds killed. The story went in the local paper after a day or two, and that night 5 pigeon lofts were broken into on the alotments again. He said it gets to a point where you walk down the lane towards the alotment looking to see if your gate is already open :-/

[Roland]

And what chance ET's working on Saturday morning without  a 24 /  surviallance by a FEW! Terrible

[Guest]

With respect Roland, I believe we should focus on how we go about preventing this sort of thing happening. You / I and others have an idea how these people think, how do we stop them?

 

Richard's post telling us that they returned on the night the story hit the newspapers, and did more lofts, and nobody watching out, is very bad news for all of us.

 

I'd start by appealing to their shop-yer-granny-for-a-quid mentality, and get a £50 reward up for info leading to a successful conviction.

 

And I'd like to know what the local council is doing about security given anti-social behaviour legislation they've got, and commintment to Safer Communities.

[Roland]

I'd start by letting them know where boundries are set from the offset. When the boundries are broken down and no action, penalising, is done, then resect is tossed out the window. When parents give up on their kids, and pass the buck onto schools etc. ythen they have given up the right to be parents.

Schools can't even chuck them out when they are disruptive and prevent others willing, wanting to learn, are being impeded. Those parents that aren't concern are the ones of course who kick up when expelled for a time, AND WHY! because they have lost their baby sitter! My son is a teacher for problem kids.... If they have a go at the teachers and lose, the parents are up in arms backing the kids. Worried about having them too long and impeding what hey want to do. Like when they get took out of the Bingo palace by police and told their kids have been running riot  and have been taken home and waiting for them! Or are at the station awaiting to be picked by them What ! Spoil teir bingo, kids soon are sorted lol because then they are peeved big time.