ets chip rings

[Guest]

 

What is to then stop you Bruno by saying you got 50 with the system and you buy them cheaper elsewhere, how do the SHU actualy know what ring you are using, is there a different reading from certain types of chip rings ? And do they intend to make some type of check on these ?

 

Don't know Tammy. I picked up on this one early doors. Take your point tho 10 free rings is OK but not much cop if you are racing 50 pigeons, and if it's a new system and paid for by yourself, common sense says ask for 50 rather than 10 rings to use with it.

[Guest]

 

STILL HAVE;NT SET MINE UP YET BRUNO BUT I'M LOOKING AT PUTTING IT LONG WAYS SO THAT IT HAS A DOUBLE ENTRANCE PROBABLY IN A BOX INSIDE THE LOFT WITH BOB WIRES AT EITHER END

 

Yes that's what I'm looking at, for fitting on the bottom of my corridor door. They slip thro that way as often as using the traps either side of it, so thought one pad long ways across one door leaf, two entrances, two birds can go thro together, accesses all OB & YB ends, bob wire at the inner ends to stop the other birds coming back out..

[stevebelbin]

With ETS, do you still need the bog standard ring as well as the ETS ring. And are the ETS rings a permanent ring thats on the bird for life. Pardon my ignorance to it, just never really looked into it  ;D

[Guest]

: : Bruno are the chipped rings a clip shut type or a solid band ?? if solid ok , if clip type and then combined union number on it whats to stop me or anyone slipping it on a yearling and race it as a youngbird ??   andy

 

The current ID rings are shut metal type, they can't come off the bird; the current chip rings are clip plastic rings, can come off the bird and suffer complaints of coming off or taken off during racing; the new combined ring is like an existing closed metal ID ring, but with a chip embedded in it.

[Guest]

;D thank you for the answer Bruno , i bet they will be a lot of questions from south of the border over the coming months!!              andy   8)

[Guest TAMMY_1]

With ETS, do you still need the bog standard ring as well as the ETS ring. And are the ETS rings a permanent ring thats on the bird for life. Pardon my ignorance to it, just never really looked into it  ;D

 

yes still need the metal ring, and the ets ring can be taken off but it is assigned to one particular bird and you cannot switch birds as it shows the birds ring number on a friday when you mark the birds for racing, all birds have to be assigned with a chip ring before racing and they have to correspond as such on a marking night

[Guest TAMMY_1]

;D thank you for the answer Bruno , i bet they will be a lot of questions from south of the border over the coming months!!              andy   8)

 

along with a lot of arguing :D

[Guest]

oh no they wont Tam ......................................................  ;D ;D  andy

[square_peg]

 

yes still need the metal ring, and the ets ring can be taken off but it is assigned to one particular bird and you cannot switch birds as it shows the birds ring number on a friday when you mark the birds for racing, all birds have to be assigned with a chip ring before racing and they have to correspond as such on a marking night

 

it is possible to change the ets ring from one doo to another doo tho bammy 1

[ALF]

 

it is possible to change the ets ring from one doo to another doo tho bammy 1

 

I HOPE SO BUT DONT KNOW MYSELF YET :-/ JUST WONDERING IF A YOUNG BIRD GOT KILLED OR SOMETHING CAN YOU TAKE THE RING OFF IT AND GET IT RE-REGISTERED ONTO ANOTHER?? :-/ :-/ :-/

[paul l]

 

I HOPE SO BUT DONT KNOW MYSELF YET :-/ JUST WONDERING IF A YOUNG BIRD GOT KILLED OR SOMETHING CAN YOU TAKE THE RING OFF IT AND GET IT RE-REGISTERED ONTO ANOTHER?? :-/ :-/ :-/

 

yes u can if u want to change the clips round just means when u go club on fri they will scan it and deleat old birds details on it and put new on we were told at club meeting on mon night

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

it is possible to change the ets ring from one doo to another doo tho bammy 1

 

as far as i know that once you have assigned a bird with a ring thats it for life, because if it wasnt you would be able to change them at will , you are assigning them through a computer so once it is registered to a bird you cannot change it, but there will probably be some genius with a computer that will find some way to fiddle it, because everything done with a computer can be fiddled some way

[Guest]

 

it is possible to change the ets ring from one doo to another doo tho bammy 1

 

Yes possible, but not very practical.

 

Our club has / had only 3  members using ETS from the beginning, and they took the rings off the OBs at the end of OB racing and re-assigned them for use with their YBs for YB season; now they leave them on the birds, and buy new ones for the YB kit.

[Guest]

Phoned the SHU Office today and asked about ETS rings supply procedure.

 

Basically ETS rings you 'purchase' with your system are OK; but any additional rings you need MUST come from SHU Office.

 

I asked if it was expected that individual members should contact Office direct for supplies, or contact Club or Fed Secretary for supplies: The answer is that the SHU expect individual members to contact the Office direct BUT as groups rather than individuals BECAUSE there is a £5 insurance charge per package , whether the package contains 10 rings, or 10,000 rings.

 

They have ETS rings in stock, and they have another lot on order.

 

Think it would be far more efficient and cost effective if they were distributed the same way as the Union ID rings are to Feds and Clubs, and ordered along with them at the Club's annual 'ring' order.

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

Yes possible, but not very practical.

 

Our club has / had only 3  members using ETS from the beginning, and they took the rings off the OBs at the end of OB racing and re-assigned them for use with their YBs for YB season; now they leave them on the birds, and buy new ones for the YB kit.

 

was not absolutely positive about being able to re assign the rings bruno, but now i know you can, as you say it was done in your club, then does this not open the way for unscrupulous flyers who get a stray bird in and remove its chip ring and then reassign it for themselves, i would have thought even though more expensive it would be better to have a ring and a bird assigned for life so that there is no room for cheating , i can see fliers keeping ets rings off strays because of the expense, the system i had in the house was an older one and i could not reassign the rings then so things must have changed, not used by be i might add , it was an older system that was on loan to hughie brown because he had the stroke and could not get to the loft, does this mean bruno that whoever has the computer and monitor can change the rings at home on a saturday morning if he gets a good timed bird but he wishes it was his all pooler  ?

[Guest]

 

was not absolutely positive about being able to re assign the rings bruno, but now i know you can, as you say it was done in your club, then does this not open the way for unscrupulous flyers who get a stray bird in and remove its chip ring and then reassign it for themselves, i would have thought even though more expensive it would be better to have a ring and a bird assigned for life so that there is no room for cheating , i can see fliers keeping ets rings off strays because of the expense, the system i had in the house was an older one and i could not reassign the rings then so things must have changed, not used by be i might add , it was an older system that was on loan to hughie brown because he had the stroke and could not get to the loft, does this mean bruno that whoever has the computer and monitor can change the rings at home on a saturday morning if he gets a good timed bird but he wishes it was his all pooler  ?

 

Once the ring has been assigned to a bird in the Club's ETS system it stays assigned to that bird until changed to another pigeon, and that normally only happens via the Club base.

 

'ETS' members arrange with the Club secretary to have a ring assignment meeting, when all the members bring their young birds to the club to have ETS ring assigned to the bird's ID ring number in the club base.

 

While you can assign rings at home on a computer, each original / current ring assignation is still held on the club system, so if you attempted to swap them round, it would be picked up at next race marking when  ID ring number onscreen wouldn't match the ID number shouted out by the marker. Once ETS system is in race mode and a race arrival is recorded at the loft, you cannot change any detail, as it is locked and secured by several electronic codes that fanciers cannot know or access.

 

There is a suggestion amongst some ETS users that ETS rings are taken off strays and re-assigned for 'finders' use. Make yourself a thief for a £1 kinda thing.

[pigeonscout]

What price is ets to set up?

[THE FIFER]

 

HAVE YOU GOT EVERYTHING ALL SET UP NOW ALF ?

 

 

i was wondering about that tammy do we get free rings with the clocks,

 

 

[pigeonscout]

Will each ETS system have its own rings? Can any ETS system read another systems ring? Will the club have to have same system and rings as the national centers or will the centers have to have a base for all the systems.

[gangster]

i believe thats the point the rpra have made that they must be compatable otherwise whats the point of changing..

[Guest]

Bricon is the only one I've seen claim 100% compatibility with / and capability of setting, reading other manufacturer's ETS systems.

 

Think compatibility is a must. Don't want to be strangled by monopoly supplier, many suppliers = cheaper systems.

[Guest]

 

 

i was wondering about that tammy do we get free rings with the clocks,

 

 

Unikon do 10 free rings, not sure about others, but would expect them to include rings as kit isn't complete without them.

 

 

[Guest]

Will each ETS system have its own rings? Can any ETS system read another systems ring? Will the club have to have same system and rings as the national centers or will the centers have to have a base for all the systems.

 

They appear to have. SHU office told me they've at least two Firm's rings in stock.

[gangster]

and another good thing will be no one can use your ring if a bird is lost....but the ring price must come down to a more acceptable level...

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

 

i was wondering about that tammy do we get free rings with the clocks,

 

 

nearly every supplier gives you some free rings