What Strain doesn't

[Roland]

What strain doesn't, and / or hasn't raced well!! ?

It is often asked what strains do race well etc.... so

Alf Baker's seemed to have a reputation that is birds only flew well for him ... Of course Louella bred international winner for a Belguim etc. with his stock!

Jim Biss was a name very widely pouted to stay clear off... Only birds apparently that did well was when  he exchanged, or let friends have them.... Though there must be a few somewhere that had a winner or too from out of his stock!

Any and all strains must have, especially today, hampios, or at least blumming good birds in the breeding close to the!

I put it to you surely, it is the Manager, and system required to be at the top.

Yes and of course, as Mike Lycet says, you must have - mostly at least - good birds!

 

[tubbles]

Roland we all know of fanciers who sell birds that nobody else can win with but i feel that you are sailing a little close to the wind by putting names on. these fanciers that you have named may be mighty annoyed if people quote you as saying no-one wins with such and such's birds. As such i don't really think this is a fair topic for a thread. the fanciers that get named may not read the forums so they cannot defend themselves.

 

It all sounds a bit unsafe to me .....JMO of course.

[Roland]

Yes your is well point taken m8, and accepted as such... but I wasn't intending to devaluetheir abilty, or even honesty, but as to what is often been regarded...  after Bruno has removed it I can repeat with out names I guess.

[Guest]

Don't see anything wrong with this. Just another offshoot of the oft-asked question - how much the bird, how much the fancier?

 

 

[Guest Silverwings]

interesting thread roland ,i think its about time fanciers in the uk realised they have equal capabilities ,and pigeons every bit as good as the continental fanciers , some of the names you refer to developed a blend of birds to suit their own system and requirements and unless you race birds from them in a similar system and evirioment things dont always work out  ? in belgium many of the top fanciers exchange birds between themselves on a regular basis and usually from fanciers within their own area ? this promotes the vitality within their lofts with birds that are already proven and adapted to that particular area,providing the exchange pigeons have the same base or bloodline i dont think strains or names matter very much to them ? in the words of the great georges ' WHEN THEY ARE IN MY LOFTS THEY ARE BUSCHEARTS ' we in the uk still have to learn from this ......ray

[Guest Vic]

In a nutshell! I agree entirely.Selling mid-summer eggs is the latest rip-off at £50 upwards.

I will go with the initial poster and back him all the way. Sad to see so many fools in this so called sport of ours. To many exploiting it!  Be careful! Vic.

[mark]

good topic roland and a valid question in todays prices for over priced pigeons.

[Roland]

One wonders really you know, if they are selling, say tried and tested birds, for instance, that have failed their tests, do they pass them on, and recuperate some of their losses... or even gain a few bob, or cut their losses and clean them all out?!

I mean, for argument sake, if one is not happy with their bird they have bought, and they exchange it! One or two scenario's arise I fancy.

If replaced, does it then get sold on again?! Or even bred from?! I mean the 'Blood' is supposedly still there...

Or is it a reality that tried and test family' introduced and passed on after proving themselves not quite up to the ball game - regardless of costs and pedigrees - are passed on with such words as 'You know I only buy the real McCoy's etc. Yes of course he has and that may well be 100% true.

Also does it really hurt to exchange a bird?! If still bred from and / or sold on again, of course not! Indeed it augers well in reality for the vendor's credibility. Indeed puts a nice warmth to the persona I' feel personally.

Yet I know some doubtless that are very genuine in this regard!

But if I buy 12 pairs of stock birds, and keep they well, and follow to the letter - as nigh as - what the vendor did / flew them, and am after 3 years of looking out for them, travel miles up the right. Even have genuine remarks of how well and conditioned they are, especially on 'Race Night' and loft visits from knowledgeable and proven fanciers etc. Does one have any rescore?

Does the adage 'Ah you bought my birds... NOT me'! Really stand up?

Further one sees all too often the endorsements, and great tributes paid, so why is it defamatory to say. ‘Well I and indeed a few others I know had his birds and nary a placing’!

Like I have said, I have seen, like many of you no doubt, a famed, or named, renowned flyer endorsing someone’s birds and you are surprised to say the least… Indeed shell shocked lol.

[tubbles]

It's a shame that we can't trace the pigeon throught the RPRA, i mean if pigeon fancier A buys the rings from his club and sells it to pigeon flyer B then he tries it against his own and it doesn't come up to scratch what is to stop him from selling it on as one of his own. there is nothing to stop the unscrupulous money maker from doing this kind of thing. But, if we were told that the ring had been transferred from A to B then sold on to me, I would smell a rat.