Positioning Transporter at Racepoint

[Guest]

Wondered what governs the way the transporter is positioned at racepoints?

 

My question relates to wind direction - does it face [or tail] into the wind, or side on?

[THE FIFER]

the transporter should be facing the way the birds are going to home ie: if they will be flying north the transporter should be facing north so birds are coming from both sides and no side facing north as this could be an advantage to the birds coming out the side facing homeward bound, as the others would be going in the other direction for so far,

[Guest TAMMY_1]

the transporter should be facing the way the birds are going to home ie: if they will be flying north the transporter should be facing north so birds are coming from both sides and no side facing north as this could be an advantage to the birds coming out the side facing homeward bound, as the others would be going in the other direction for so far,

 

AYE BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CASE FIFER

[Guest]

think a lot would depend on the road what way it runs and parking facilities ,on a personal note i think birds comming out of booth sides of transport is the main cause of poor returns ,years ago when it was the railway all the baskets faced the same way now its the opposite

[THE FIFER]

 

AYE BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS ACTUALLY THE CASE FIFER

 

YES BUT THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE TAMMY, AS IF ONE SIDE IS FACING NORTH AND THE OTHER SOUTH, HOW FAR DOWS THE BIRDS COMING OUT THE SOUTH SIDE GO BEFORE GETTING ON THEIR FLIGHT NORTH, WE KNOW BIRDS SIRCLE YES BUT NOT AS SOON AS THEY COME OUT OF THE TRANSPORTER,

 

 

[Pego]

Would it not be better to have the front or the back of the transporter facing into the wind, so when birds were coming out both sides of the transporter the wind would take them all in the same direction.

[THE FIFER]

Would it not be better to have the front or the back of the transporter facing into the wind, so when birds were coming out both sides of the transporter the wind would take them all in the same direction.

 

i think this would only happen if it was a strong wind, how many times do you see birds coming out of a transporter and going any other way than straight ahead, i see ur point if the wind was strong enough to do as you say,

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

YES BUT THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE TAMMY, AS IF ONE SIDE IS FACING NORTH AND THE OTHER SOUTH, HOW FAR DOWS THE BIRDS COMING OUT THE SOUTH SIDE GO BEFORE GETTING ON THEIR FLIGHT NORTH, WE KNOW BIRDS SIRCLE YES BUT NOT AS SOON AS THEY COME OUT OF THE TRANSPORTER,

 

 

Well maybe this might explain as to why in some races there always seems to be a batch of birds that are home before the others,and then it is a while before another batch appear

[THE FIFER]

 

Well maybe this might explain as to why in some races there always seems to be a batch of birds that are home before the others,and then it is a while before another batch appear

 

 

 

yes could be, if in a race u put the runners back to back at the starting point and said go the ones facing the wrong direction must be at a disadfantage surely,

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Have never seen a liberation, maybe somebody who has can comment on how the birds fly when they are let out the baskets ?

[harky]

Have never seen a liberation, maybe somebody who has can comment on how the birds fly when they are let out the baskets ?

 

they fly usin their wings by flapping them back and forth like any other bird tammy ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

i'v seen a few libs and they all came out and joinded up together

[Guest TAMMY_1]

i'v seen a few libs and they all came out and joinded up together

 

is  "joinded " a Dundee word for joined  ;D

[Guest]

 

is  "joinded " a Dundee word for joined  ;D

 

aye it means twa joinded together ;D

[jimmy white]

very interesting and quite important topic , a few top fit birds , would be up and away in a flash if the transporter faced the way suiting them ,, ive watched many libs, and seen this happen , the few top fit birds on the other side would do the same but behind that first batch  :-/ the majority of birds to join up , but the winners are off ,, in the libs ive seen theres been birds hit obstacles during the release and landed on the nearby roofs , ive seen a few injured in fact dead, on release , but in all my years keeping pigeons ,never seen a convoyer bring back a dead or injured bird  pigeon?, but i can assure you it happens  :-/

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

the transporter should be facing the way the birds are going to home ie: if they will be flying north the transporter should be facing north so birds are coming from both sides and no side facing north as this could be an advantage to the birds coming out the side facing homeward bound, as the others would be going in the other direction for so far,

 

yes they did this a few years ago by mistak with our birds and one side cleared and they other side went in wrong direction and had to come back!

[Chatrace]

Some will go straight away, leaving the rest to circle,these are the one that beat everyone by 15 to 20 min. We try and train out birds to take straight away when training. We place then looking in the line of flight and let them out and never let any other birds go from that spot so they never learn to circle back looking for another flock. If ya can't release all baskets at one time move to a new location for the rest. If the sit for at least 15 min befor release that lets them get the bearing right.

[frank-123]

seen lanarkshire liberation from ripon a few years back when they came out they flew all diffrent ways but they joined into one big batch then birds split from the main batch and headed north some 30 mins later there was still birds flying around ripon was a fantastic weather that morning you could see for miles  

 

 

 

[doos r us]

very interesting and quite important topic , a few top fit birds , would be up and away in a flash if the transporter faced the way suiting them ,, ive watched many libs, and seen this happen , the few top fit birds on the other side would do the same but behind that first batch  :-/ the majority of birds to join up , but the winners are off ,, in the libs ive seen theres been birds hit obstacles during the release and landed on the nearby roofs , ive seen a few injured in fact dead, on release , but in all my years keeping pigeons ,never seen a convoyer bring back a dead or injured bird  pigeon?, but i can assure you it happens  :-/

 

if birds hit obstacles then the site is unsuitable for libs been to many that would have the fancier up in arms .was there not talk that officials lanark i think would check lib sites did this happen good sites dont guarrentee good racing but the birds need a clear start

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

 

they fly usin their wings by flapping them back and forth like any other bird tammy ;D ;D ;D

 

pmsl ;D ;D ;D Good 1

[Guest]

ive said that for years jimmy i will shake the hand of any convoyer that brought my bird back dead or injured but other than that i think convoyers try very hard to do it right the central fed has one of the best ive seen works very hard for the birds RAB will do anything the controller asks no problrms at all but as doosrus says some of the sites may not be suitable to get the transporter facing the right way and still get a clear lib so that site should be suspect but i think most of the birds batch up whey libed so i wonder if it makes much difference yes the fit/keen birds might break right away thats what we all hope for our doos to do that the wind at the race point plays a part aswell

[Guest]

Thanks for the replies.

 

A friend of a club mate had raised this issue several times in the past - reckoned if the wind was hitting the transporter side on [on one side pigeons libbed against the wind, and on the other side libbed with the wind] then those with the wind could be blown miles away before they had a chance to form up, or join up with those libbed against the wind.

[thunderboult]

your having a good debate about which way the wagon faces but what about if your birds are in the bottom baskets compared with the ones in the top as i've seen many pigeons in the lower baskets knocked to the ground by birds coming out above them, surely it's better to be in the top baskets what do think?

[Guest]

your having a good debate about which way the wagon faces but what about if your birds are in the bottom baskets compared with the ones in the top as i've seen many pigeons in the lower baskets knocked to the ground by birds coming out above them, surely it's better to be in the top baskets what do think?

 

This was my reply in another thread:-

 

"If bottom row birds are hitting the ground, then there is something sadly wrong with their release. Modern day Geraldy transporters release from the bottom row up to prevent this happening, and even our own transporter which is a manual release, is timed this way too."

[jimmy white]

 

if birds hit obstacles then the site is unsuitable for libs been to many that would have the fancier up in arms .was there not talk that officials lanark i think would check lib sites did this happen good sites dont guarrentee good racing but the birds need a clear start

 

i completely agree with you, and certainly not blaming convoyers, race controllers etc , i beleive they do the best job poss for the birds , and often  a thankless job ,but maybe didnt explain myself very well ,,,, the birds can hit obstacles on a perfectly good lib site,, if you see the welsh nat going up at penicuick , a fantastic site in a brilliant place  [a big open playing field ] you couldnt get much better,,,,,but, you still see them hitting wires even telegraph poles , house tv aerials etc  even 100 yds away from the transporter,so i beleive there are accidents at the racepoints we never here of     same as the last post,,,, birds hitting the ground,,?? bottom teir usually get of first then as they go up each teir , but then , people will say,, then,, bottom teir best chance ,so the convoyers do their best ,but cant do the impossible