Whats the POINT

[robbie]

We are all asked to turn up and express our views, idea's for the forth coming year ahead, only to realise that Race programmes, Routes etc have allready been decided, and they wonder why there is such a poor turn out at the AGM's

[chickadee]

We are all asked to turn up and express our views, idea's for the forth coming year ahead, only to realise that Race programmes, Routes etc have allready been decided, and they wonder why there is such a poor turn out at the AGM's

 

Well as you say what's the point? If that's what the meeting was meant to be about but, was allready decided when members turned up I think I would be a bit annoyed as well, and it's a shame as it does put a lot of people off going to meetings in the future. ??)

[Guest slugmonkey]

This is what's killing our sport APATHY

Please don't attend meetings

or vote

or do anything outside club hours

and BY ANY means don't look at something thats wrong in your club and try to come to a solution  ( just complain - someone else will fix it )

and most importantly if you ever do try to right a wrong and it isn't  at once once understood as the most revolutionary idea of all time then quit !!!

 

this is a great plan for success look at all the other fliers in your area who have used this for success  

sorry but I am tired of hearing why our clubs are failing !!!!

 

 

The point is it is YOUR club and your sport if you are not happy, quit complaining and figure out how to change things !!!

don't let the rules be dictated to you, dictate HOW the rules should work and elect representitives that that express YOUR opinions !!!!

I took over as race secretary, I had NO idea how or what to do, that didn't matter I knew that what was being done wasnt right and that nobody liked how it was done so I changed a lot of things -- are they ALL right ? NO but are they better      YES will they get a LOT better    YES

 

and most importantly do my other club members complain ---   yes they do

are they scared to tell me they don't like something    NO and are they scared to make suggestions     NO guess what

3 new members this year

more people than EVER can now work club computers !!! and everybody feels better about what goes on at our club some now even bring wives and girlfriends !!!

[PIGEON_MAN]

We are all asked to turn up and express our views, idea's for the forth coming year ahead, only to realise that Race programmes, Routes etc have allready been decided, and they wonder why there is such a poor turn out at the AGM's

 

If the meeting is as you say called to discuss the race programme for next year and when you get there it is allready deciced on then the meeting is out of order and you should stand up and say so,it seems to me that there is a lot of clubs and feds on here that dont  follow the rules,but i can see what you mean about why people dont turn up at AGM,S etc,but if  the officials get away with it without nobody standing up to them it will carry on.

[THE FIFER]

if ur officials are not doing what they should then this is all the more reason too turn up at ur agm, and get them removed,

[DOVEScot]

We are all asked to turn up and express our views, idea's for the forth coming year ahead, only to realise that Race programmes, Routes etc have allready been decided, and they wonder why there is such a poor turn out at the AGM's

 

Surely there should be an agenda for the meeting

AGM's are normally passing the last years minutes, election or re-election of office bearers and then any other business, this is the time to air your views and have them minuted, this is where you ask to hve race programmes etc to be discussed with the members at a certain time of the year

It may be in previous minutes that certain officials decide these this year then you have no argument

Sometimes resolutions have to be submitted beforehand and backed by two clubs to have them heard but all this should be in your draft resolution or in ammendments to it, "if its there it's fair"and so it goes "if it's no their then it's no fair"

[robbie]

 

If the meeting is as you say called to discuss the race programme for next year and when you get there it is allready deciced on then the meeting is out of order and you should stand up and say so,it seems to me that there is a lot of clubs and feds on here that dont  follow the rules,but i can see what you mean about why people dont turn up at AGM,S etc,but if  the officials get away with it without nobody standing up to them it will carry on.

 

While i agree with your comments, and most other comments raised, the situation arises that we are told we intend to joint convoy because it keeps the costs down, (which we have done now for numerous years)the officals have had prelimary talks with other federations, so if they have had there AGMs before us we either have to accept their race programme or raise the cost of birdage etc.

 

[rabfefe]

HI ROBBIE IF THE MEETING IS TO BE DISCUSSED THE RACE PROGRAMME ETC IT MUST BE A PROPOSED TO THE MEMBERS AT THE AGM IF IT IS THE SAME RACING AS LAST YEAR JUST THINK OF THE LOSTIES WE HAD THIS YEAR WITH 2007 RACE PROGRAMME.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

We are all asked to turn up and express our views, idea's for the forth coming year ahead, only to realise that Race programmes, Routes etc have allready been decided, and they wonder why there is such a poor turn out at the AGM's

 

An excellent post here because it reminded me of ours a couple weeks back,a pre-proposed race programme was brought to our race programme meeting and this was voted in, the turnout was a joke with 60 members from over 500 attending and now some are complaining about the decision,tough luck, come and vote or shut up, also the supposedly planned schedule was a shambles because there is hardly a race point on it we can use, so a total waste of a day as far as I am concerned,when folk bring in a thing like this they should at least do their homework, happened last year as well, a well thought out route, supposedly, was another joke, it would be better to pick the approximate distance for the races and then get the officials to sort out a racepoint at that distance, that is what they are going to have to do now anyway.

[Guest j.bamling]

We used to fly in a club where the AGM was the only meeting what fanciers went to what happend is the fed deligates in our club got the fed and combine agenda and kept them to themselves they went to meetings - meetings us fanciers did not know were on and voted on what ever they wanted ? this was partly a reason why we dropped out of this club on top of this we never got to know about gold rings - open races - breeder buyers - squeaker sales if it were not for other fanciers in the fed letting us members know whats going on at the meetings we would not know anything !!!

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

While i agree with your comments, and most other comments raised, the situation arises that we are told we intend to joint convoy because it keeps the costs down, (which we have done now for numerous years)the officals have had prelimary talks with other federations, so if they have had there AGMs before us we either have to accept their race programme or raise the cost of birdage etc.

 

I see what you are saying here but you can see the problem the fed officials have also,they (in most cases)have been voted in to do the best they can for the fed (in their eyes)so if the best thing is to go with other feds to keep costs down then the only way then is to go with the other feds race programme,this is not allways going to please everybody but i,m sure going on your own and paying high birdage charges would not please everyone either.It can be a very difficult job when you are a fed official and you know that what ever you choose somebodies going to moan,but you ask the moaners to do the job and they dont want to know.

[DOVEScot]

 

I see what you are saying here but you can see the problem the fed officials have also,they (in most cases)have been voted in to do the best they can for the fed (in their eyes)so if the best thing is to go with other feds to keep costs down then the only way then is to go with the other feds race programme,this is not allways going to please everybody but i,m sure going on your own and paying high birdage charges would not please everyone either.It can be a very difficult job when you are a fed official and you know that what ever you choose somebodies going to moan,but you ask the moaners to do the job and they dont want to know.

 

Unless your name is Tammy ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

I think there is a big difference between attending a meeting where you learn the Fed management committee's thoughts on a possible race programme for the following year - based on discussions with other organisations - so at least you know its a possible runner; and attending a meeting where you are told what is going to happen only to find out after that meeting that the proposed programme is garbage .. and apparently nothing can be done to change it.

 

We still have our AGM to come when members present can at least offer opinions or motions for change, and until that meeting is held, nothing should really be taken for granted about what will and will not happen next year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I think there is a big difference between attending a meeting where you learn the Fed management committee's thoughts on a possible race programme for the following year - based on discussions with other organisations - so at least you know its a possible runner; and attending a meeting where you are told what is going to happen only to find out after that meeting that the proposed programme is garbage .. and apparently nothing can be done to change it.

 

We still have our AGM to come when members present can at least offer opinions or motions for change, and until that meeting is held, nothing should really be taken for granted about what will and will not happen next year.

 

 

 

well as this was the case at ours we were lucky that our president had the foresight to state that if any of the sites were not available the officials would pick an alternative point at a similar distance, good job as proposed sites were not available, well most of them anyway

 

 

 

 

[me]

 

An excellent post here because it reminded me of ours a couple weeks back,a pre-proposed race programme was brought to our race programme meeting and this was voted in, the turnout was a joke with 60 members from over 500 attending and now some are complaining about the decision,tough luck, come and vote or shut up, also the supposedly planned schedule was a shambles because there is hardly a race point on it we can use, so a total waste of a day as far as I am concerned,when folk bring in a thing like this they should at least do their homework, happened last year as well, a well thought out route, supposedly, was another joke, it would be better to pick the approximate distance for the races and then get the officials to sort out a racepoint at that distance, that is what they are going to have to do now anyway.

 

 

Point is Tammy the numbers and therefore the amount that needs to be discussed is a lot less now(generally speaking). So in my opinion we should revert to one meeting the AGM and that decides everything including the race program.Its hard enough to get people to turn up for the AGM never mind an extra meeting. Incidentally don't Lanarkshire have a quorom limit 60 out of over 500 does not seem much as you say?

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

 

Point is Tammy the numbers and therefore the amount that needs to be discussed is a lot less now(generally speaking). So in my opinion we should revert to one meeting the AGM and that decides everything including the race program.Its hard enough to get people to turn up for the AGM never mind an extra meeting. Incidentally don't Lanarkshire have a quorom limit 60 out of over 500 does not seem much as you say?

 

AGREE IT SHOULD BE ONE MEETING FOR IT ALL, as far as I know there is not a quorum  for race programme, the actual vote  on the route only had 56 votes cast

[me]

 

AGREE IT SHOULD BE ONE MEETING FOR IT ALL, as far as I know there is not a quorum  for race programme, the actual vote  on the route only had 56 votes cast

 

When is the closing date for proposals to the AGM a change like that would need to be submitted and approved?

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

When is the closing date for proposals to the AGM a change like that would need to be submitted and approved?

 

 

well past, was 12th october

[me]

 

well past, was 12th october

 

Pity some one will have to remember to submit it next year!

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

Pity some one will have to remember to submit it next year!

 

 

YOU ARE JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB  ;D ;D ;D

[me]

 

YOU ARE JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

Proposed by "me" seconded by "him"

 

[Guest]

And passed by them

[DOVEScot]

YOU ARE JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB    

 

 

 

Proposed by "me" seconded by "him"

 

 

 

 

And passed by them

 

 

SORTED, MEETING ADJOURNED ;D ;D ;D

[rabfefe]

i think there should be an apposal for the race program to be open to the members. race 1 should be kelso or any race proposed by federation members then taken to a vote. race 1, race2 etc then see what we come up with.

[robbie]

I think there is a big difference between attending a meeting where you learn the Fed management committee's thoughts on a possible race programme for the following year - based on discussions with other organisations - so at least you know its a possible runner; and attending a meeting where you are told what is going to happen only to find out after that meeting that the proposed programme is garbage .. and apparently nothing can be done to change it.

 

We still have our AGM to come when members present can at least offer opinions or motions for change, and until that meeting is held, nothing should really be taken for granted about what will and will not happen next year.

 

Thats not strickly true Bruno, one year we decided to try a different route , agreed at the AGM but was changed after about 2/3 races