louella

[wings]

Jimmy i have tried calling them to no avail, but never mind i will take peoples advice and give it a try.

[timbarra]

Roland, hi mate, in fact georges busschaert , real name Remi Busschaert did in fact get he's base birds from a number of sources , he then line bred and inbred these pigeons , which to be honest mate is a fact, I have busschaerts final auction list and family details , I also know somebody who knew him well, as most people had he's pigeons in the 80s. He was a master, but everyone says he crossed he's pigeons and had lots of different pigeons, well he actually linebred the pigeons to THE OLD SOOTEN , KLAREN, SOOTEN HEN and the onlynew line he brought in was PLUTO himself to add quality to he's already excellent line.

later on he brought in ATOOM, AND 2 OTHERS WHICH I CANNOT RECOLLECT AT THE MOMENT BUT CAN LET YOU KNOW.

So you see mate not many birds brought in originally but blended to a breeding plan which you have to see to understand.

Alot of people breed to a plan and I stick to it also , which is successful, if you can understand how the top players breed their birds then why not do the same, I have applied breeding methods of BUSSCHEART, JANSSEN BROS, MEULEMANS AND OTHERS , Which to be honest all have a common pattern and method of pairing !!!! as did VAN REET and all the top guys.

 

I have all the same or similar colour birds due to the fact its a family trait.. people with different colour birds do not have a family of birds. BUsschaert only ever had blues , cheqs , light dark or pied pigeons.. the red comes through pluto. so all red busschaerts decend from PLUTO, a family trait NO?

 

hope your well ROLAND and things are good.

 

spencer

[Roland]

I'm fine Spence thanks, and of course Jansenn were in a lot of those names I've no doubt.

Surprisingly, or not really when one thinks back as to why, but Beuasart started with Delbars.

P.s I still intend soon to visit your set up.

[sammy]

buschaert was a great advocater of never to cross colours ie blue to blue cheq to cheq etc

[jimmy_bulger]

hi timbarra.

i think the other 2 you looking for are jeroom and daniel.

jimmy

[Merlin]

 

 

       Possibly the most famous of The Eagleson Bscs was Champion White Cheeks a Cheg Pied pigeon,what critera denotes a (Champion) my own input would be a Top Class racing pigeon ,with results to match with this bird producing birds equally as good or better than themselves,ie a champion racer might not really be a top class producer and vice a versa its only the combination of both of these elusive traits that denotes a true champion,how many would agree with my slant on this

[THE FIFER]

most of those birds bought in for stock from dealers have never been out in the open, so are very hard to settle they just take off and thats usually the lasat u hear, as they dont have the sence to go into a loft. could be lucky, but very risky

[gangster]

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, AND THESE ARE THE ONES WE ALL DREAM TO BREED/OWN.......TRUE CHAMPIONS......BUT THAT DOES NOT DISRESPECT THOSE OUT N OUT RACING MACHINES WHO NEVER REPRODUCE THERE LIKE

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       Possibly the most famous of The Eagleson Bscs was Champion White Cheeks a Cheg Pied pigeon,what critera denotes a (Champion) my own input would be a Top Class racing pigeon ,with results to match with this bird producing birds equally as good or better than themselves,ie a champion racer might not really be a top class producer and vice a versa its only the combination of both of these elusive traits that denotes a true champion,how many would agree with my slant on this

 

 

i disagree merlin, a champion is a pigeon that is sucsessful in either field be it racing, breeding or even for the showmen showing.

 

if you can get a pigeon that breeds top pigeons after racing as well true it is a champion but i also feel a pigeon with 23X1st is a champion as it has excelled in its objectives set out by the owner. i feel this applies to breeding too a pigeon breeding many winners i feel deserves the title also.

 

I do feel the term is used lightly nowdays maybe more so by the big studs ie massarella

[Guest]

 

 

i disagree merlin, a champion is a pigeon that is sucsessful in either field be it racing, breeding or even for the showmen showing.

 

if you can get a pigeon that breeds top pigeons after racing as well true it is a champion but i also feel a pigeon with 23X1st is a champion as it has excelled in its objectives set out by the owner. i feel this applies to breeding too a pigeon breeding many winners i feel deserves the title also.

 

I do feel the term is used lightly nowdays maybe more so by the big studs ie massarella

 

 

I agree up to the point where the term of the word Champion is used lightly, but to name Louella as such is a bit harsh. To their credit Louella purchase Real Champion pigeons and advertize them as such! Their offspring are sold at prices relative to their ancestory, the further away they get, the cheaper they are. I think that Louella must have owned the most amount of true CHAMPIONS that one loft could possibly have, arguably in Europe, and at the very least, in the UK. There will be many fanciers, too numerous to mention, who have been top class in their own right, and owned and bred their own true chmpions, but Louella, whether you like them or you don't, they have purchased some of the best pigeons in the world! Credit where credit is due, they also breed them. I have never seen a louella advert declaring that something was a champion when it wasn't!

 

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I agree up to the point where the term of the word Champion is used lightly, but to name Louella as such is a bit harsh. To their credit Louella purchase Real Champion pigeons and advertize them as such! Their offspring are sold at prices relative to their ancestory, the further away they get, the cheaper they are. I think that Louella must have owned the most amount of true CHAMPIONS that one loft could possibly have, arguably in Europe, and at the very least, in the UK. There will be many fanciers, too numerous to mention, who have been top class in their own right, and owned and bred their own true chmpions, but Louella, whether you like them or you don't, they have purchased some of the best pigeons in the world! Credit where credit is due, they also breed them. I have never seen a louella advert declaring that something was a champion when it wasn't!

 

well it is all about opinion but i feel in some cases they use the term loosely not to say they have not owned champions but as i say sometimes its a loose term

 

 

[Roland]

Vallence can't see how that is possible. Unless you want a lot high rating for the champions they've bought as to many - seriously I suppose most in this scenario - that have / or sell their birds.

Indeed what is the deffinition of the 'Champion' or 'Ace' and if some of their aren't .... love to be shown where others have exceeded them and ARE champions, let alone not  champions'.

I sell ever so often many so called Greats that are even used on here and others sites and revered, that aren't in any terms, let alone real terms, not fit to do the laces up!

[Guest CS]

I have tried to add some phots of it what do you think.

 

Very nice bird... is that what you don't like ?

[Roland]

 

I sell ever so often many so called Greats that are even used on here and others sites and revered, that aren't in any terms, let alone real terms, not fit to do the laces up!

 

I sell should read  'I see ...' sorry for that! whoopsy

[retired]

I sell ever so often many so called Greats that are even used on here and others sites and revered, that aren't in any terms, let alone real terms, not fit to do the laces up!

 

I sell should read  'I see ...' sorry for that! whoopsy

 

well come on Roland if you cant spell see, we have a problem lol

 

i dont doubt that massarella has champions and lots of them but ask the people who they purchased the birds off whether they regard it as a champion. Massarella are in the game for money nothing else at all they know very well that marketing a pigeon as a champion will increase the sales of its young.

 

 

[sammy]

 

I sell should read  'I see ...' sorry for that! whoopsy

 

well come on Roland if you cant spell see, we have a problem lol

 

i dont doubt that massarella has champions and lots of them but ask the people who they purchased the birds off whether they regard it as a champion. Massarella are in the game for money nothing else at all they know very well that marketing a pigeon as a champion will increase the sales of its young.

 

mayne you are right about massarellas but nobody has put as much back into the sport of pigeon racing tha what they have  

 

[Merlin]

Vallance

             I cant comment on Show Birds,I have the race birds and am in process of restarting with rollers,who in the main are what I  term working birds like the racers judged on their ability and performance,the title Champion it appears is now commonplace among pigeons especially among those with commercial slants,I have in my time had some good racing birds and also some good breeding birds,sadly by my own yardstick none that I could term a Champion just to reiterate again what (my opinion) of a Champion should be it is a bird that has put up terrific performances in the more prestigous races Combine/Fed/National/and has done so with consistency and when breeding its progeny does likewise or even better, again especially in prestigous races again on a consistent basis  for many generations, how many of these Champions that you see advertised fill this ,not too many,im sure the Stud have had Champions but not as many as they would have you believe.

[Guest]

 

well it is all about opinion but i feel in some cases they use the term loosely not to say they have not owned champions but as i say sometimes its a loose term

 

 

No offence meant Vallance, but Ok then, i'll turn your statement around! At the moment, you are using the statement loosely! In what cases have they, "Louella," used the term Champion loosely, when advertising their pigeons??

 

Yes Louella are out to make money, but they have put a lot of help back into the game aswell. It would not be in their interests to falsely, or inaccurately advertise pigeons for sale, as simply the after effect of the public outcry against an establishment such as Louella's could close them down! They are business men, top class ones at that, they would not, and are not, stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds them! If you found out they had been doing underhand dealings would you buy from them anymore? Think about it!

If Louella state the bird is a Champion, then in my opinion it will have not only cost an exhorbitant amount of money to purchase, it will have actually done something deserving of its title. I cannot agree that Louella have used the term Champion loosely. Please show where, if they have, and if its correct, i will humbly and openly apologize to you.

[Guest]

mayne you are right about massarellas but nobody has put as much back into the sport of pigeon racing tha what they have  

 

 

In what way Sammy?

 

[Carl Upsall]

Many years ago when my dad had a wild bird, (which he hated in his birds) he got a cardboard box put a drinker on it and a food receptacle. He placed the bird in the box with a wire top over it. The box was placed near the back door(inside of coarse) and every time he walked past, he would stop and talk to the bird for about 15 seconds. After a week of this, the bird became very tame and went on to breed very good birds. Worth a try mate. Dont believe the talking helped with the breeding ability

[Guest]

Many years ago when my dad had a wild bird, (which he hated in his birds) he got a cardboard box put a drinker on it and a food receptacle. He placed the bird in the box with a wire top over it. The box was placed near the back door(inside of coarse) and every time he walked past, he would stop and talk to the bird for about 15 seconds. After a week of this, the bird became very tame and went on to breed very good birds. Worth a try mate. Dont believe the talking helped with the breeding ability

 

Just proves what abit of patience and compassion can do

[Merlin]

Again what defines a true Champion in this instance ,if its red cards if the criteria is solely Red Cards/how many/Clubs some clubs might have birdage of 500 with 50 members with a big radius,another with 50 birds and 5 members and a radius around a lamp post,yet both birds are winners,but yet much easier to attain red cards in one,so this creates an imbalance to solely judge on Ists.

     The bird that does it in a higher class Feds/Combines/Nationals/again with good results at this level would be a better class of Champion than a club Champion,yet both can be labeled Champions,rightly so,but in my estimation a true Champion is a bird that does the business at a higher level,when put to stock its progeny is capable of producing as good or better results for many years,now how many Champions are about with these qualities,just for a bit of fun if interested why not name your definition of what bird is a real Champion and its ability concerning above. A bird that has done it at the highest level and its direct progeny is doing likewise or better say  10 years later,now this is a real Champion