ets v old clocks

[PIGEON_MAN]

Problem is with ETS its being introduced by the manufactors forming an unholy alliance with the RPRA. Its like the NEHU up here there wasn't even a vote on it. All of our club is dead against it. Problem is with this sport its dying off through lack of members and its sheer expense why introduce something that increases the expense even more.

 

Too many people trying to make a quick buck in this sport be it selling stupid priced pigeons or products or timing system

 

Nobody is forcing anyone to increase their expences,you either buy it or you dont,and why have a vote on something that is voluntary anyway.

[Guest Paulo]

 

Nobody is forcing anyone to increase their expences,you either buy it or you dont,and why have a vote on something that is voluntary anyway.

 

Because its going to affect clubs if just one member gets it means the club has to get the software to read the results off it it alos means marking night procedures, clock setting etc may be affected.

 

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Because its going to affect clubs if just one member gets it means the club has to get the software to read the results off it it alos means marking night procedures, clock setting etc may be affected.

 

Any GOOD ETS Supplier will supply everything the club needs for free.

 

In response to Roland i just dont see how big a difference it makes to anything as i for one would never leave the birds to clock thereselves in, all it gives me the opportunity to do is relax with a beer in my hand whilst the bird traps instead of flapping about the garden demented.

 

My reason for saying about people is half our club was going to pack in when it came through, so anyway it came through and one member packed in and not due to the ETS like he wants everyone to beleive.

 

[Guest karl adams]

if you have 2 members in a club that have ets and 20 members that have clocks all the members in that club will have to go on the ets timeing system as the fed is splitting the fed  prizs in to 2 sections so the 2 members in this club have put the other members on the ets system and then they stand no chance of getting a prize

 

                                                          

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if you have 2 members in a club that have ets and 20 members that have clocks all the members in that club will have to go on the ets timeing system as the fed is splitting the fed  prizs in to 2 sections so the 2 members in this club have put the other members on the ets system and then they stand no chance of getting a prize

 

                                                          

 

And i thought my fed was bad glad i am not in that one its sounds like a ridicolous idea no offenceto yourself intended mate

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[Guest karl adams]

thats y clubs are now shortning there raidus and some are going t3 onley

[Lennut Tar]

"Karl." If that is the situation you have in your club/federation etc, I'm quite astonished at the intelligence of the people behind that sort of decision making excise. "Extraordinary", what sort of thinking went into reaching a conclusion like that, "Quite amazing"  they certainly wouldn't get away with it in my local club/federation etc & niether should they where you fly.

Democracy/Common Sense. It may well help these people that reach this sort of conclusion, to look these two words up in the dictionary, though I doubt whether they could find them.

Enjoy.  

[Guest slugmonkey]

I can't belive that we are beating this dead horse AGAIN face it boys the times are a changing and ETS is here to stay

I cannot belive that your governing body would FORCE you to use ANY timing system by name and I also cannot belive that they would force that change in a way that requires all participants to immeadietly go out and buy a new system!!!

I belive this is just another round of crying by those who fear change and don't really understand what ALL the ramifications are !!!

The plain and simple truth is that ETS is a FAR superior system to what we have now and it is just going to get better and CHEAPER as things progress

I don't care who you are time has always proved that in any club there are better flyers and then there are the guys who just flat pound your ass every week I think the main problem here is that these guys CAN"T stop their clocks after a 3 bird drop so the guy that takes 4th ( and very happily belives he deserves it )  is now getting 12th and dosent like it !!!!! I am to the point in my club that I am so tired of listening to the whining about loft position and wind that I have started TRYING to p*ss off theses whiners our club recently split and guess what, the club that broke off is now on there knees asking to fly the longer races with us ( would you like to guess who has stood up in the meetings and said not only no but HELL NO  ??? ) our club has grown and theirs has shrunk ( I am currently acting race secratary and treasurer and club secratary , with help of girlfriend,) and would rather do this work than listen to a bunch of lousy ba&^#*!>& cry about how they cant win a race because so and so got the wind that day

these guys formed a 10 member club with a 20 mile radius and guess what 2 guys won 80% of the races        suprise, suprise, suprise, !!!!

shitty methods and BIRDS are still shitty no matter how you time them !!!!!!

[Guest Paulo]

I can't belive that we are beating this dead horse AGAIN face it boys the times are a changing and ETS is here to stay

I cannot belive that your governing body would FORCE you to use ANY timing system by name and I also cannot belive that they would force that change in a way that requires all participants to immeadietly go out and buy a new system!!!

I belive this is just another round of crying by those who fear change and don't really understand what ALL the ramifications are !!!

The plain and simple truth is that ETS is a FAR superior system to what we have now and it is just going to get better and CHEAPER as things progress

I don't care who you are time has always proved that in any club there are better flyers and then there are the guys who just flat pound your ass every week I think the main problem here is that these guys CAN"T stop their clocks after a 3 bird drop so the guy that takes 4th ( and very happily belives he deserves it )  is now getting 12th and dosent like it !!!!! I am to the point in my club that I am so tired of listening to the whining about loft position and wind that I have started TRYING to p*ss off theses whiners our club recently split and guess what, the club that broke off is now on there knees asking to fly the longer races with us ( would you like to guess who has stood up in the meetings and said not only no but HELL NO  ??? ) our club has grown and theirs has shrunk ( I am currently acting race secratary and treasurer and club secratary , with help of girlfriend,) and would rather do this work than listen to a bunch of lousy ba&^#*!>& cry about how they cant win a race because so and so got the wind that day

these guys formed a 10 member club with a 20 mile radius and guess what 2 guys won 80% of the races        suprise, suprise, suprise, !!!!

shitty methods and BIRDS are still shitty no matter how you time them !!!!!!

 

Theres no doubt its here to stay but is it a good thing? If your a good flyer flying aginst another good flyer and he has an ETS system than you need one or he has an advantage so you have no choice but to buy one if you want to win. So in effect you are being forced to get one which costs you 400 - 600 quid.

 

The expense is ok for you yanks as stuff like gas is a fair bit cheaper for you. It costs me a forture just to train my birds

 

[ransom50]

dont think you could beat these with a clock,thats the only advantage multi timings fact! as for costing fourtunes a bog standered set up is the same as a t3,but as i siad before youve got to get the birds home first,happy days :D

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Theres no doubt its here to stay but is it a good thing? If your a good flyer flying aginst another good flyer and he has an ETS system than you need one or he has an advantage so you have no choice but to buy one if you want to win. So in effect you are being forced to get one which costs you 400 - 600 quid.

 

The expense is ok for you yanks as stuff like gas is a fair bit cheaper for you. It costs me a forture just to train my birds

 

my ets never come to anywhere near £400 - £600 that is for sure and im 1005 English

 

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

dont think you could beat these with a clock,thats the only advantage multi timings fact! as for costing fourtunes a bog standered set up is the same as a t3,but as i siad before youve got to get the birds home first,happy days :D

 

Did the guy win his club,and how did the other members timings compare.

[Guest]

If you look at G McAloney & Son Coatbridge, Scotland, timing multiple birds in the clock only a few seconds apart you would be forgiven for thinking they were using ETS.  They aren't, they use a T3 I'm told. And multiple timings a few seconds apart means first and foremost they had multiple arrivals there from the race to time in.

 

I've used ETS for the first time this year. Hasn't made a blind bit of difference to my performances [as I knew it wouldn't] hasn't made a blind bit of difference to my being there when the birds arrive [as I knew it wouldn't] I'm always there, by choice. But I still will not be going back to conventional clocking. Its much better for the birds - so its much better for me.

 

 

[Guest Paulo]

 

my ets never come to anywhere near £400 - £600 that is for sure and im 1005 English

 

 

Give us a lend then? ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

Give us a lend then? ;D ;D

 

how much ;D

[Guest Paulo]

 

There was a price comparison on another site - and the system cost between £625 and £675 - with 50 rings included from the various manufacturers

 

 

There you go Vallance mate you must have got a cheapy tight git. What about the associated costs of people stealing the rings off your birds as well that seems to be a big problem. At least race rubbers cost next to nowt.

 

Whats stopping me using electronic trickary to cheat then your not telling me people won't find a way to clone the rings or fiddle the sensors if people can clone credit cards and cost the banks millions a year than I'm sure a pigeon clocking system can be beaten. At least with a T3 you've got  a race rubber hard physical evidence that the bird has actually returned to the loft.

 

Its a sad day when we all sit like lazy gits watching the pigeons strut over a poxy sensor half the fun is catching the thing and then fumbling the rubber and clocking the bird in. Why even bother to be down the loft to see the birds come back

 

To be honest its a waste of time bothering arguing your a believer I'm not and we aren't going to change each others mind.

 

If they come in and I've got to get one cause I'm at a tactical disadvantage than I will but I do think its taking away the whole essence of the sport.

[ransom50]

 

Did the guy win his club,and how did the other members timings compare.

 

yes i did 1st,2nd,4th 5th,6thlad next door was 3rd 1 sec behind the first 2,rest still close right down to 20th  ;D ;D

[carlsberg]

i use a t3 but am not bothered if most fanciers use the ets it will not stop me enjoying racing my pigeons . you can argue all you want about whether it is fair or not but most fanciers see it as a way forward in the sport and the only way we can go is forward, so dont dwell in the past embrace the technology and move forward with the times

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

yes i did 1st,2nd,4th 5th,6thlad next door was 3rd 1 sec behind the first 2,rest still close right down to 20th  ;D ;D

 

Congratulations then that was a fantastic team performance,but it wasn,t because you had a ETS system.

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

There was a price comparison on another site - and the system cost between £625 and £675 - with 50 rings included from the various manufacturers

 

 

Never read such rubbish,I believe the cheapest set up you can get is from BRICON,which at the moment with everything you need to set yourself up is £259.

[PIGEON_MAN]

ETS another nail in the coffin for pigeon racing, the corn prices are mad as well went to the dealers today and got my supplies for pairing the stock birds up:-

 

2 bags of bamfords breed and wean

 

1 bag of red band

 

1 bottle of gemphanax

 

1 bottle of coxoid

 

1 packet of canker tablets

 

1 tub of gem maxtrix

 

5 nest bowls as am a few short

 

2 bundles of baccy stalks

 

Bill came to £100.00

 

Was expecting a lot because of the medication anyway but still a working mans sport eh

 

I reckon if you calculated how much money you blew on corn, medication and fuel and clubs fees etc you'd never keep a pigeon again

 

between pigeons and women you'll never have no money my dad told me last year when I started and he's right.

 

How much does an ets system cost? Hope some of the oldtimers are on good pensions especially as a lot of clubs like ours got t3's through the awards for all programme I certainly won't be upgrading can't afford it

 

I think that once you start worrying about how much its costing ya to race pigeons its time to pack up.

[PIGEON_MAN]

 

ets will not turn losers into winners.but will turn winners into slightly better winners in the sense that .if u had ets on ur cot,u sent half ets half normal clock....the two birds went through the trap same time...bang ets clocked....hang on...tum te tum te ta...tum te tum te ta,,bang there goes the clock with the thimble just put init.maybe 15-20 secs?

do u call that fair?...no good saying it wont make the bird get to the cot faster...wot about when it enters the cot?....i think there is a difference. im not bothered wot clock system the others are using ...and im not anti ets..cos im not bothered who i race against or wot clock i race against...but please have it fair.

 

Never heard many moan when the T3 came out with the kwik start etc,match that up with a stall trap and how much would you gain over someone who as to go into the loft catch the bird and then clock it in.

[me]

 

Never heard many moan when the T3 came out with the kwik start etc,match that up with a stall trap and how much would you gain over someone who as to go into the loft catch the bird and then clock it in.

 

If you really don't understand why your analogy is nonsensical you must be a complete dullard!

 

 

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Sorry about not getting to reply to you all

 

Paulo - give you a lend ..*expletive removed* hell mate its Christmas i can maybe help you with some pink monopoly money  ;D

 

I think the Bricon system with pads comes to around £300 now

 

In repsonse about having to spend so much a year on rings ......Simple dont keep as many birds and why not get the birds trained up before putting the rings on

[DOVEScot]

Next year we hope to have Cabin Boy set up for racing birds, I think ETS is a great way for new members to start, especially in the way of todays lifestyles, if called out to work for some reason then all your hard work can still be recorded.