birtish strains

[p charlton]

ive won from 55miles to over 500 with the same birds so i know it can be done. i have to fly nateral old birds i like young bird racing and used to win most of the races so i dont want a strain that can win the long ones and when it comes to young birds or even inland old birds i am behind every week. for once i have the time to pick what strain i want and have the cash.

[ch pied]

55ml - 500ml then you know what to look for in a bird , then it is down to selection - basket - the way you work them

[Guest Vic]

All good stuff (for a change) let's try to keep it together, because without each other, we  all will weep,

[Guest shadow]

I had a lot of success from 400-600 mls with the british faroes strain from louella's

[p charlton]

i know what to look for in a bird no probs with that when i was younger i had the bits and bobs  the odd bird here and there had the kosicek (soz about spelling) jansons the slateys what did ok and some kirkpatricks. but then i started spending at the same place mr brian green i had the houbens of him then the van boxmeer jannsons what won from day one. tried the la fabs of a bloke from liverpool but they could not live with my birds my last young bird season had some gurneys what did well as youngters. what i am trying to say its hard buying birds at the start i think i need to find someone who wins flying nateral and look at his birds,

[ch pied]

yes rose , when it turns into a tight one vel's well down it take's a game one

[swilcox]

Vic

 

wasnt that why pigeon from belguim were first brought into the Uk because all traditional uk families were longer distance breed. I here those first sprint pigeons done some real damage!!!

 

Remember an old telling me how he had just got some foriegn birds and his own couldnt keep up with off training, they were Busschearts.

 

Stuart

[p charlton]

i packed up in 2003 with pigeon lung got it in feb that year did 3 weeks in the docs then got it just after the young bird racing was over and was in the docs from 2 weeks i 1st got it in 1992 when just 19 i nearly died but used a mask and had no probs with it untel 2003 so this time i am going to race from a aviery that will have a solid roof and back and maybe 2foot of the sides cant take no risks this time

[rembrant2coo]

If it is an old strain where the said founder died years ago I would not call it such. It is the person who has been cultivating them which name should be put on them.

For the fancier who wants birds that win at every distance it is time to wake up fella.

With fanciers specialising you don't stand much chance if your fellow fanciers are any good.

 

i only have them for the distance mate , inthe lsat 4to 5 years i have been scoring with them and before then so i know what i,ve got you better believe it ?????/

[Guest]

probably not  but all birds willl go back to old strains eg vandeveldes/putmans/gurnays/barkers/stasssarts/ameels/kenyons birds like that

 

I think they'll actually go further back than those, as all strains/names i beleive originate from Belgium, as it (pigeon racing) is supposed to have started with Wegge, or have i been fed duff information? I personally think it doesn't matter what strain names the pigeons have, they have either got it in them, or they haven't. And its up to us, the fancier, to get it out of them. Stocksmanship, Feeding, Health, Conditioning, Motivation, Happiness, and a little bit of luck are all required. Our own management and GOOD birds irrespective of family names, are the key factors. Get those right, and you'll not go far wrong.

[rembrant2coo]

 

i only have them for the distance mate , inthe lsat 4to 5 years i have been scoring with them and before then so i know what i,ve got you better believe it ?????/

 

and i don,t need to go far to get more either,  when your knocking at the heels of winners  flying 630 miles and more

[Guest Vic]

During my "Claim to Fame"  years,  ;D I had three pigeons arrive from Niort that "bounced" into the the loft, flying over thirteen plus hours, all from the same family. Seven minutes seperated them with vels of just above 1000, each taking a top  ten Amal position. So perhaps some birds excel in tail winds, but not these.  

[ch pied]

i know what to look for in a bird no probs with that when i was younger i had the bits and bobs  the odd bird here and there had the kosicek (soz about spelling) jansons the slateys what did ok and some kirkpatricks. but then i started spending at the same place mr brian green i had the houbens of him then the van boxmeer jannsons what won from day one. tried the la fabs of a bloke from liverpool but they could not live with my birds my last young bird season had some gurneys what did well as youngters. what i am trying to say its hard buying birds at the start i think i need to find someone who wins flying nateral and look at his birds,

, them bit's and bob's , with the wright cross , can do a good turn, all it take's is a bit of luck , one outstanding bird brought in , and wham

 

 

[Guest]

During my "Claim to Fame"  years,  ;D I had three pigeons arrive from Niort that "bounced" into the the loft, flying over thirteen plus hours, all from the same family. Seven minutes seperated them with vels of just above 1000, each taking a top  ten Amal position. So perhaps some birds excel in tail winds, but not these.  

 

Aye Vic, those are the times that make all the hard times and effort worth it! The Glory Days! They are so hard to come by, but what a feeling when it happens for you! I know exactly where you are coming from!  ;D

[p charlton]

yeh i won 1st fed 3 lances combine with around 5000 birds in 1993 with a lean beor x stcklebout soz about the spelling i cant spell but i want to go to 2 or 3 lofts ond buy 3 pair from each loft and race the youn against each other as well try to win then if they do ok cross the to form my own strain of bird

[rembrant2coo]

soz also thinking of the old british strains as will any ideas please will they beat the modern birds

 

well it all depends if your flying the distance and i,m talking flying 500 to 700 miles not any poxy 300or 400 miles when you talk distance i mean distance because i,ll be flying saintes this year at 760 miles into scotland

[Guest]

yeh i won 1st fed 3 lances combine with around 5000 birds in 1993 with a lean beor x stcklebout soz about the spelling i cant spell but i want to go to 2 or 3 lofts ond buy 3 pair from each loft and race the youn against each other as well try to win then if they do ok cross the to form my own strain of bird

 

If they are in your loft mate, THEY ARE your strain of birds, no-one else is cultivating them for you, YOU ARE!! All the continentals buy in or swap with each other, just the same as we do, we are all chasing the rainbow, looking for the elusive Champion. Theres a post on here i forget who it was by, (might have been Stu Wilcox i think, but not 100%, it was interesting reading though) about the great George Busschaert, once they are in his loft, then they are Busschaerts. I can remember reading about one particular big national flying name from the continent buying a round of youngsters from Louis Van Loon. I wonder how many Louis Van Loons came to the UK under the guise of the other man's name??

[Guest]

 

well it all depends if your flying the distance and i,m talking flying 500 to 700 miles not any poxy 300or 400 miles when you talk distance i mean distance because i,ll be flying saintes this year at 760 miles into scotland

 

Good for you Rembrandt, thats what its all about!

 

THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST AND MOST ENJOYABLE THREAD THAT THERE HAS BEEN ON HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE!!! Well done P Charlton and those who have posted in it!  

[ch pied]

yeh i won 1st fed 3 lances combine with around 5000 birds in 1993 with a lean beor x stcklebout soz about the spelling i cant spell but i want to go to 2 or 3 lofts ond buy 3 pair from each loft and race the youn against each other as well try to win then if they do ok cross the to form my own strain of bird

, now your talking , blending - selection - the basket , at the end of the day a family you have made your own ,,,,good un ya

 

 

[Guest]

Why does so much emphasis go on pure birds these days does it really matter if i got a good cock and a good hen and they make what i think would make an ideal pair they would go together whether they were the same breed or not

 

You are bang on Rose, my sentiments exactly. Good Stocksmanship, regardless of paper names!! As Cheq Pied says, blending, selection, then let the basket select your birds after that!

[rembrant2coo]

 

Good for you Rembrandt, thats what its all about!

 

THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST AND MOST ENJOYABLE THREAD THAT THERE HAS BEEN ON HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE!!! Well done P Charlton and those who have posted in it!  

 

thank you kind sir , if people want to talk long distance i,ll talk but to come on here and say that the old strains werelost when people died how dare he its like you said fanciers cultivate their own strain and we have some of the best fanciers inthe u.k. flying up here,as is you will in N.IRELAND it takes guts to flythese routes and these birds have that in abundance .     thank you

[Guest]

Guess it might not be the best way if you wanted to sell birds but i would have thought what they have done and what they breed is more important than what they are

 

Just look at Jos Thone, his are crosses from different families, what doesn't get bought for high prices of his are stolen! Chris Gordon, Jim Biss to name a few, do the same. Their birds are well sought after! As good a name as anyone that can be named around the world!

[blackjack]

THe old British Stuff comes though time and again A certain J@R Wills ,Jimmy Sheppard ,Jim Donaldson and many others do well with them.We were sold a story that are birds were not good enough via the continent.Its not true and we have lost alot of good stuff Dick Baldwin could fly and win 1st race to last with his own family of Barker pigeons .Its down to stockmanship and commonsense by the way was that hen Roses or Johns Choice Mrs W ?.  

[p charlton]

i like the look of thone birds but a lad who lives near me who i met in blckpool sid no one is wining with the birds hes just a mony man now i thought he was trying to put me off them

[ch pied]

who said the ( old brigade was dead and gone ) i think not ,  fancier's over here are still racing them , and doing a lot of damage at the distance , but a few have put a fancy name on them just to sell