Disorientation.

[Guest Vic]

With more pigeon flyers using the ETS, as time goes on, and with yb losses (and obs) doubling and trebling in the last few years. Is there any chance, that this modern electronic equipment, could be a homing deterrent to our birds? Nobody knows how our birds "home".  But we may be disturbing their natural homing ability, by "chipping"  our baskets the wrong way.

 

Food for thought . Vic.

[ChrisMaidment08]

the way they home is through magnectic fields   how can we say this because if you put or rather breed young and they cant see anything but for walls  and you then move them to new shed why do they fly to shed born in and try to enter so yes it must have an effect

[nogin]

BULL    ;D

[I]

sorry victor but i think this is nonsence. these electric rings have been used in europe for years and years without any adverse affects. victor if you live near any known "percy" nesting site please take the time to have a look around the area as you will be totally amazed by the number of rings which are lying there. remember these buggers can bring up four at a time then the next year these four bring up sixteen and then the figures get very worrying. what chance do the doos of today have in the over populated skies where man has taken over nature`s role in breeding birds of prey.

 

sorry victor but i call them electric rings but in reality they do not transmit anything they are i believe just like a barcode on a pint of milk useless unless you pass it in front of something which can read it.

[gangster]

they recon the mobile phone masts could have something 2 do with it???

[Guest Vic]

C,mon you mods. You ain't got a clue! Whether the chips are harmful or not. The more chips in the basket, the greedy will prosper, getting faster by the minute, or is it fatter by the minute? lol.    

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

BULL    ;D

 

no bulloc    im on about all iterfeance not from rings there is no field active till it is scaned

[nogin]

 

no bulloc    im on about all iterfeance not from rings there is no field active till it is scaned

 

STILL BULL  ;D

[ChrisMaidment08]

 

STILL BULL  ;D

 

8)oh well  that youer opinion but if you add more words we could have a discussion

[gangster]

percy maybe  too blame for hell of a lot but not all that go missing

[Guest]

percy maybe  too blame for hell of a lot but not all that go missing

how about this ,a housing estate ,a field with a lion in it ,10 small children that have walked through this field for the very first time in their lives and the lion did not bother them because he was not hungry ,but now the kids realize they are away from home and start to go back through the field the lion atacks them teeth and claws going wild rips 1 or 2 of the kids to bits the others run the wrong way back ,do you think they will atempt to cross the field again ,now they go missing trying to find home another way and eventualy starve to death or go in some ones house for help ,only a senario but i think that is what is happening to our birds ,only difference is the people in the other house is not killing the kids they are reporting them in stead un like some fanciers with our birds ,

 

 

[Guest Vic]

Most of you are evading the original issue. Sleep on it for a day or two.

[Guest]

i was just replying to the percy issue ,i dont think we will ever know about any other cause for the losses concerning any thing to do with technoligy, because no one in their right mind is going to say it is down to this equipment of ours that is causing all this disterbance and get it band and loose money.

[pjc]

Les, there will always be anti ets brigade looking for other ways to get it banned though, so why not start blameing it for something and see if it gets support!

 

Phil

[Merlin]

These losses have been there for years Vic,before E.T.S. was ever introduced but mind you they do coincide with the period when young falcons are learning to hunt,and this being the only period in their lives,they hunt as a family of 4/5/6,and this incidentally is when most young bird losses occour,for the last month,and possibily another month,after that our young birds are mostly survivors,and will undoubtly have to contend with the falcon issue on an ongoing basis,for the rest of their lives, this is the worst and most dangerous period in our young birds lives,and its when most losses occour,while I dont assume that falcons are dirictely responsible for taking every bird that goes missing,they are definitely responsible for the reasons,that causes many of them to go a.w.o.l. especially in our young birds for reasons stated above, now for the good part,next young birds season will be worse,and so on. We as fanciers have buried our heads in the sand for too long,its now too late,even if the will was there,which its not.

[frank-123]

the losses only seemed to have got worse since the upturn in the peregrine falcon breeding success

gangster  have you seen a peregrine go into a batch of birds at speed ?

 

i have seen it twice once i watched a guy lib his 70 ybs from the m74 at crawford john the peregrine took one bird but the rest went in every direction he lost 43 ybs never to return

 

if there is tree's when this happens the birds will head straight into the tree's at top speed causing massive damage to the birds

ask celtic about peregrine attacks next time you see him

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

With more pigeon flyers using the ETS, as time goes on, and with yb losses (and obs) doubling and trebling in the last few years. Is there any chance, that this modern electronic equipment, could be a homing deterrent to our birds? Nobody knows how our birds "home".  But we may be disturbing their natural homing ability, by "chipping"  our baskets the wrong way.

 

Food for thought . Vic.

 

you are right when you say nobody knows how they home so you cannot blame anything electronic or magnetic unless you have first hand proof [ which you don't].

[Guest peter.j]

i think the gps batteries have gone lol no seriously i dont think it can be put down to one thing ,yes i do think the ets may effect there homing instinct but this is minimal the same as mobiles must effect them again minimal but combine them all and it would be an extremely powerful force and lets not forget the increased amount of air traffic and there vast array of electronic wizardry....pete

[gangster]

the losses only seemed to have got worse since the upturn in the peregrine falcon breeding success

gangster  have you seen a peregrine go into a batch of birds at speed ?

 

i have seen it twice once i watched a guy lib his 70 ybs from the m74 at crawford john the peregrine took one bird but the rest went in every direction he lost 43 ybs never to return

 

if there is tree's when this happens the birds will head straight into the tree's at top speed causing massive damage to the birds

ask celtic about peregrine attacks next time you see him

funny you say that bart answer is yes i have i know all about what they do and have seen it!! my buddy lives in anglsea and hes been getting battered for years, on a daily basis....my reply was no in any way supporting the perigrine...but there are other factors as well leading 2 so many losses..

 

[frank-123]

but thats the main one in my opinion

[tomm1e]

It would be interesting to see what the pigeon papers in say the 1950s were saying, if anything, about yb losses. That was a period when pigeon racing was more popular than now but also a time when the hawk population was high.

If there was a fuss then about yb losses it couldn't be put down to ets or mobile signals but it still wouldn't mean that hawks are entirely to blame.

[DOVEScot]

With more pigeon flyers using the ETS, as time goes on, and with yb losses (and obs) doubling and trebling in the last few years. Is there any chance, that this modern electronic equipment, could be a homing deterrent to our birds? Nobody knows how our birds "home".  But we may be disturbing their natural homing ability, by "chipping"  our baskets the wrong way.

 

Food for thought . Vic.

 

Considering we do not know exactly how a bird has the ability to home and bearing in mind taking a bird hundreds of miles from it's home and releasing it is in no way natural, Pigeons like most birds only fly to find food

The world is expanding in all directions due to technology especially with radio signals, mobile phones, Fm signals and wireless computers so the chip on the leg may be the final straw IF the birds depend on this to home, untill we find out then we are only guessing

One thing for sure any predator will spook birds and send them in all directions totally breaking any confidence they have to try it again :-/

[Ronnie]

Yes percy is a contributing fact but what Vic says bears thought.

Ok the ets ring may not carry anything but a bar code but the pads do and we dont know what effect them radio signals have on the birds as they pass so closely to an ETS pad.What about the weight of the ets rings do they not bear thinking about?They may not weigh much to you and me but we are not racing pigeons flying 400 miles .I dont think Vic is knocking the ets he is just providing food for thought and all things should be looked at and thought about before idly dismissing it.Just because someone has been doing something for years does not mean they are doing it right.

[frank-123]

It would be interesting to see what the pigeon papers in say the 1950s were saying, if anything, about yb losses. That was a period when pigeon racing was more popular than now but also a time when the hawk population was high

If there was a fuss then about yb losses it couldn't be put down to ets or mobile signals but it still wouldn't mean that hawks are entirely to blame.

 

surely hawks were poor in number after the war

this was the days when 15 ybs lasted the season if they did not return from the race next day they were waiting on you

so i was told

[gangster]

oh!!! i agree and it aint gonna get any better....