Crammed with birds

pigeonscout · August 9, 2008

all i have to say on the subject is all the winning lofts ive been in have very few birds in them and ive had the pleasure to be in some top lofts all the books i have read pigeon books vets books vids tells us to keep the right amount of birds to the loft which in most cases we all have to many now all these pll could be wrong but any new comer to the sport reading this thread the best bit of advice u will ever get keep as little birds as possible and leave the expeperentes to us mad men that have pigeons for years

The best advice I can give to a newcomer is read how the top fanciers do it. I do not want to know how Joe soap feeds, trains, or motivates, his birds. I want to know how the man who is winning out of turn today (not yesterday) feeds trains and motivates. why? because he is the one that is winning.

peterpau · August 9, 2008

I do see this point of discussion,a 10 ft loft designed correctly can be as healthy and benifical for sixty occupants,as a 10ft badly designed one,can be as harmful to 10 occupants,we tend to equate our charges from a human perspective,which is indeed a no no,and we apparently slavishly imitate others,,as the correct and only way,there are very many ways,nothing is set in stone.

Tiz dead right. NOTHING IS SET IN STONE. Yes I have been in a top loft with a hell of a lot of birds, but they were tame contented and very healthy. No I am not gonna name the flyer. He has now departed this life, and out of respect I can't say they were overcrowded. There were far too many for me though. The key in this case for me was open hole.

August 11, 2008

The less birds you have the more attention you can give them and if they are quality birds and you know what you are doing the more you will win

jimmy white · August 12, 2008

At last, your getting there ;D
Serious are you??? :-/ Just how do these VERY sucess Natural flyer do so well then?
Why is it that in hard, and distance races 80% are naturaul, and 60% of them are hens... most likely sitting eggs fourteen days, or youngsters! A ole Cock bird with a BIG Un eh! Phew! where you been, looking, reading when the best results in the main are acheived?
Never mind the 1000 - 250 mile hops, a Paper Bag could win some of them on a windy day.
the hard races, the distance ones attest to exactly what I am harking on about.
Indeed most top boys at ALL distances in our fed are Naturual flyers. AS I have heard in many other cases... P.s. these are hand fed a tea spoon of this and that, a ounze and hald, then.... They are watchfull constantly of the bird a foot away, or the perch, nest box whatever and FLYING the skies. You just answer my very thoughts and substantiated my views, hence I rest my case.

One of the worlds best long distance flyers Alan Darragh flys his birds on widohood and he is beating all the naturual flyers.
http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/Alan_Darragh.html
The answer to why hens do better than cocks on long races could be the fact that cocks spend two days fighting in the basket and the hens spend two days resting. In some USA 500 mile races when hens and cocks only have to spend 1 day in basket the cocks are at the front. You ways of keeping birds are about 50 years out of date.

knowing allan darragh well, and, indeed proudly appearing on panels along with allan , [in my opinion ,one of the best pigeon fliers, ,,,ever, he breathes dreams and lives for pigeons ] his knowledge on pigeons is incredable, , but i can assure anyone [after visiting alan quite a few times ] in fact , topped the fed with a free bird fom him the lofts and room he has , has to be seen to beleived , there is certainly not any overcrowding , plenty free fresh air ,in all his lofts , and for the amount of birds he keeps, you couldnt even "smell pigeons",,,one loft struck me, was an" approx" 8 by 6 , in this loft ,at that time were TWO pigeons, earmarked for a special race , [not over crowded ] now this man wins , wins and wins , with plenty fresh air per loft and just enough birds per loft , with no overcrowding ,,,its the likes of this man we should be taking heed from,,,,,,,,an expert [proven]

pigeonscout · August 12, 2008

Jimmy I agree with you 100% and it is the point I have been trying to make. Overcrowding is something I have never seen in a top winning loft.

jimmy white · August 13, 2008

Jimmy I agree with you 100% and it is the point I have been trying to make. Overcrowding is something I have never seen in a top winning loft.

i agree entirely,,,but theres allways exception to the rule ,,,,but that exception, [in my opinion ] is not to be followed, if you want to keep winning ,

wooff bros of new ollerton have continually topped the fed,, both north and south rd, for over 50 years , never with an overcrowded loft ,,,,the likes of these fanciers we should listen to,, not to the exception to the rule, fanciers :)