transportation of birds

[just ask me]

just a quick question with birds picking up other ailments when in hampers on race day wouldn't it be better if every member had there own hamper so only your birds are in your hamper know it probably be harder to work on  long distance racing or would there be a down side to this just something ive been think about for the last few days just want to think what other members opinions are on this

[mac]

would not be practical  what if members only sent 2 or three birds the cost of transport would be prohibitive.  would not stop airborne contamination

[ChrisMaidment08]

honesty will stop birds being put in ill  ???????? >

[just ask me]

i was thinking that too but most diseases are spread are through through drinking water and i was thinking that a member bought or rented there hamper at start of year so whether they had 5 or 15 birds its there hamper and i was thinking if two members wanted to share the costs of one hamper that could be done too it would be still better than possibly have 10 different members birds in the one hamper i admit too not thinking through too much but i think it could work

[just ask me]

honesty will stop birds being put in ill  ???????? >

 

that hard to find these days

[Guest shadow]

not practical the water troughs on most transportrs run from one end to another so they could still pick up infections

[just ask me]

good point shadow but our fed has a new type drinking system where its feed into the individual drinker and as well with droppings in hampers birds getting sick in hampers and other birds eating the the corn when they get sick would help there too  its good to hear all these points only reason i bring this up lads have heard of a fancier sending birds in our club last year that had a really bad disease we only found out this later it worried me as i would never do this and id sleep a bit more if i new his birds were in a different hamper at least would limit the changes of other birds picking up something  i know if every fancier was honest they would be left at home but as we know there not all i was thinking of was a way to limit the changes of cross contamination

[pjc]

The best way all feds could prevent spread of infection through drinkers would be to put milton in the water, any bacteria would be instantly removed.

 

Phil

[just ask me]

The best way all feds could prevent spread of infection through drinkers would be to put milton in the water, any bacteria would be instantly removed.

 

Phil

 

hope it doesent look like if im beating down every ones ideas  this is a brillant idea yes can be done as well but wouldent help my above points  where birds geting sick and we have all seen some of the odd looking dropings in hampers we have all seen the fanicers and there birds fed so much  u know there going to get sick in the hampers

[mac]

a good number of years ago lanarkshire fed decide they should try milton if approved by a vet --- the vet a mr mcrae from perth replied that there was a question about it interfering with the birds digestive system -- so the idea was shelved  -- i do belive it should revisited as to its possibility -- you can check with lanarkshire fed sec he will remember

[Guest bigda]

milton is also responsable for curling up end of flights in birds

it dose some thing to the birds gut  and  curls vent bones its ment as a  wash but not as  drink. :'(

[pjc]

it depends on the dilution!

Just ask me, simple solution put grids in the bottom of the baskets so any food the birds bring up during transit falls through and can not be picked up by others.

 

Phil

[pjc]

and there are other water purification treatments on the market suitable for birds.

[Guest IB]

Think its a bit of an oversimplification to say birds become ill after picking something up from other birds in the basket.

 

Over 10 years ago Dutch Homing Union had an Animal Institute do a study of conditions in the race basket. Basically transportation puts unique stresses on the birds. These stresses can make otherwise healthy birds ill.

 

Results led to redesign of transporters, crates and maximum numbers of birds in them.

[pjc]

true IB, stress is a huge factor, but dissinfected water and birds being unable to eat regurgitated food should be a minimum requirement.

 

Phil

[just ask me]

well the way i see it if a fanicer put a sick pigeon which is over fed into a hamper and we have all seen it u can go home and not worry i think this is the way to go full separtion of birds seems to make sence

[pjc]

a lot of fanciers wouldn't recognise a sick pigeon!

[just ask me]

a lot of fanciers wouldn't recognise a sick pigeon!

 

that what im saying every fanicer should have there own hamper

[pjc]

But as somebody said earlier it would be impossible as 1 member may send 2 birds and another send 50 and a transporter wouldn't be able to take enough individual baskets for its members.

[just ask me]

i understand that but on the whole couldent if fanicer had ie 30 birds that fits 2 hampers couldent he just stick all his birds into two hampers 15 per hamper and if a fanicer only has a few birds they can share the costs with another fanicer that onlt has a few all im saying is has to be better than 10 members birds in one hamper and  i  know it wont solve all problems but if it can cut down on lots of birds from different lotfs in one hamper i know u cant solve the problem alltogeather or am i all wrong on this point

[Tony C]

and there are other water purification treatments on the market suitable for birds.

 

There was a product named PLG, dont know if you can still get it.

[carlsberg]

yes you can still get it i use it

[Tony C]

My club/fed are this year allowing fanciers to put their pigeons in the same crate if they so wish. We have a Geraldy transporter and each crate has its own individual drinker. We're doing it as a trial to see if y/b/s hits those who's pigeons are not mixed with others.

[pjc]

We have done it before Tony but it didn't make any difference. Found some were still sending knowing they had problems just leaving sick birds at home and sending the ones that looked ok at basketing!

 

Phil

[mac]

i dont know a serious racing man who would want their birds in one basket. maybe its the old adage of not putting all your eggs in one basket .  will be intersted in any reports on clubs who do it