Aged Stock Birds Be Aware

[budgie]

Going through various Stud Adverts and sales in our weekly pigeon paper it is disapointing to think of the well earned cash we work for being put down the drain on buying other peoples (Sh-te) Aged Stock Birds between 3-10 year olds which have bred nothing for them and they want to Off Load them.Come on if they were any good they would keep them or Doo the right thing in the best interest of our sport and Bin them.Remember there is 98% sh-te in every loft and to get to that age and off load  we would be beter packing them in. :( If they were pre-potent they would never be for sale no matter what they tell you. :( I was in one of the top lofts in the West of Scotland yesterday namely Jim Cullen and there were pigeons that he could have quite easily sold between £200-£1000 but they were no good to Jim and  were binned. :)

[pjc]

I understand what you say but everybody every year makes room for younger more vigorous stock. Old stock that may have bred winners and good birds could be of use to others.

Personally if I have paid good money for stock including birds from the likes of Ken Kippax clearence sale etc that havn't produced get binned however much I paid for them but a lot of older stock birds that have produced the goods i've often given away to help others!

 

Phil

[Guest strapper]

Going through various Stud Adverts and sales in our weekly pigeon paper it is disapointing to think of the well earned cash we work for being put down the drain on buying other peoples (Sh-te) Aged Stock Birds between 3-10 year olds which have bred nothing for them and they want to Off Load them.Come on if they were any good they would keep them or Doo the right thing in the best interest of our sport and Bin them.Remember there is 98% sh-te in every loft and to get to that age and off load  we would be beter packing them in. :( If they were pre-potent they would never be for sale no matter what they tell you. :( I was in one of the top lofts in the West of Scotland yesterday namely Jim Cullen and there were pigeons that he could have quite easily sold between £200-£1000 but they were no good to Jim and  were binned. :)

 

 

this is only your view on this and i respect that .

but i believe different, not entirely different to you but your statement where you stated that they are no good  if 3-10 yr is where i see different.

there is quality birds out there that can produce this and that but you must realise that some fanciers buy more in and havent the space to keep everything, thus having to sell some off.

i know for a fact that some birds that will be featured in the next couple of weeks, on this site will be from a double national winner,his birds that are to be sold are his older stock ...still fertile.

top fanciers will let top birds go..but its not right to say every bird sold above 3yr is no good ,but its right to say be sure on what ur buying.

as i said i respect its ur view , but its not right in everybird bought above 3yr is no good.

 

[Guest cloudview]

i have to agree in some ways , but i think its amatter of who you know , or put another way is the regular feather merchant unloading again

chap in our club died  3 years back , he never won a carrot , but that was,nt down to the birds

it was him an his circumstances, ibought six or seven off his wife ,no one else was interested

i got winners off them straight away , so as i said its knowing the fancier ,gut instinc , and trust

[joe61]

budgie if you have 98% crap in your loft i surgest you get a book on stockmanship as its plain to see you cant tell a good pigeon from a bad one

 

oh happy days

[harky]

budgie if you have 98% crap in your loft i surgest you get a book on stockmanship as its plain to see you cant tell a good pigeon from a bad one

 

oh happy days

 

i think your wrong there joe , your talking about one of the top flyers in the very strong lanarkshire fed . ;D ;D ;D ;D

[superstar]

 

i think your wrong there joe , your talking about one of the top flyers in the very strong lanarkshire fed . ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

Just lucky if 98% of his birds are crap. I know some bad fliers and some very good fliers and none of them have got that level of poor pigeons in fact I would say the reverse

[joe61]

harky i respect what you say but for a person to say 98% of birds in fanciers lofts are sh*te is utter rubbish so what he is saying is breed a 100 to get 2 good ones

 

oh happy days

[budgie]

 

i think your wrong there joe , your talking about one of the top flyers in the very strong lanarkshire fed . ;D ;D ;D ;D

Joe

You dont have to buy a book buy a basket and race them and every week at that.You have heard it all they blame,controllers,East/West routes,Winds but the biggest factor is the Sh-te we keep and buy.

 

 

[Guest redwhiteblue]

Joe

You dont have to buy a book buy a basket and race them and every week at that.You have heard it all they blame,controllers,East/West routes,Winds but the biggest factor is the Sh-te we keep and buy.

 

 

100% M8

[budgie]

I understand what you say but everybody every year makes room for younger more vigorous stock. Old stock that may have bred winners and good birds could be of use to others.

Personally if I have paid good money for stock including birds from the likes of Ken Kippax clearence sale etc that havn't produced get binned however much I paid for them but a lot of older stock birds that have produced the goods i've often given away to help others!

 

Phil

Phil you are on the right track and i agree with your comments but how many pr-potent pairs are for sell and at 3years old if there is nothing in the loft left why call them stock pigeons.If they are not leaving anything why sell them on to fanciers less unfortunate than ourselves because within another three years these fanciers will leave the sport.

 

 

[Guest shadow]

another drawback from buying old stock birds is they may well still be filling or laying in their own loft but that can change when they are moved to new lofts and management

[leighton1984]

I think some men have good birds and some have very good birds but they are lots of things to look at.

 

How come some are at the top and some never make it.

some flyers are still in the dark ages the winners have moved on.

in with the new out with the old

[Guest puresoontjen]

your all right and rong dont matter what anyone say theres aways going to be good and dad birds no matter what breeds or strains,

in my eyes i realy think its down to the flyer and management and healthy birds

hope i havnt got 98% bad birds in my loft if every flyer thought that there wouldnt be many flyer in the sport no mater what the age

 

 

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[joe61]

bugie go and tell raymond molveld herman beverdam they have 98% sh*te in their loft they will laugh in your face you let the basket tell you which is a good bird an d add to the stray problem

 

 

oh happy days

[budgie]

another drawback from buying old stock birds is they may well still be filling or laying in their own loft but that can change when they are moved to new lofts and management

Shadow

Why should we be buying 10 yr old stock pigeons.It goes back to my theory of the 98% Sh-te and how many pre-potent pairs are going around or are for sale.

 

 

[budgie]

bugie go and tell raymond molveld herman beverdam they have 98% sh*te in their loft they will laugh in your face you let the basket tell you which is a good bird an d add to the stray problem

 

 

oh happy days

Joe i have already taken this up with both these guys at panels they have been on and they are quoting 40%.Bear in mind the numbers they keep and off load and ask them to sell you a pre-potent pair.

 

 

[joe61]

why does that not supprise me you have gone from 98% to 40% im done with this game of move the goal posts im off out

 

oh happy days

[leighton1984]

take bird in your hand is the shape spot on

the wing good

eyes and nose like snow

if all the things you are looking for right then ask how much.

 

i will not tell you what i look for in birds

to some men pigeons all look the same.

 

[Merlin]

Good Post Budgie,but in fairness I do think 98% for a decent flyer's loft may be somewhat liberal figures,while it gets down to basic winners,then the figure of 98% may have some relevance,but considering there can only be one of these in every race,it doesn't mean that non winners are rubbish,as for aged stock for sale,again there are many factors to be considered,as for a prepotent pair,it often just requires the right matching,and often such a mating can even be accidental,but all in all if I have a pair throwing good race birds,they stay until they stop doing so,or their demise,whichever comes first

[Guest puresoontjen]

Shadow

Why should we be buying 10 yr old stock pigeons.It goes back to my theory of the 98% Sh-te and how many pre-potent pairs are going around or are for sale.

 

no one is telling you to by sh** thats in entirley up to you at the end of the day, i no plenty of good flyer have had 10yr old and still getting good results...selling old birds its not a crime they proberly selling to make room and to give some one else a chance to have ago at it dont mean its a bad bird dos it  

 

 

[leighton1984]

how many flyer have a 10year old bird in there loft at this moment.

 

[tippler1]

i have 1 so hope she fills next year

[leighton1984]

has she breed winners for you

 

[tippler1]

no but as breed 2nd mnfc open for a bloke who give her me lol