Never mind the culls

[Roland]

I hear and read constantly about birds breeding this that and the other, both good and bad.

The main difference being When in the loft, and 24 hours later when no longer there. What happens over night to make a great bird, bred in the purple off Pedigrees that cost stacks of sheckals to the bird being Crap!

Yes, it no longer being in the loft is a good starter I guess  ;D ;D

But what if it had been bought solely for breeding purposes and never tossed or raced?

Could it breed the goods? :-/ :-/

I often say out of 200 8 winners would be good!

Yes I've like most of you have seen and had, handled birds that made you drool.... and never did a days proper flying ever. Similar with a hen!

Are these the Father of the foundation of a new loft you had such great hope for, spent great wads to buy, and spent time effort and more dosh to suceed! :-/ :-/

Just why are our streets etc. atracting so many great 'World Beaters'.

Would you buy these strays  :-/ Or have them even as a gift?  :-/ :-/

 

[pjc]

No bird can be classed as being goog until it has earnt that title, either racing or breeding, neither can anything be classed as crap until it proves itself that way.

There are casses where the top bird from 1 loft would be considered crap in another, not due to the bird but due to management so i think there is a lot more to clasifying a bird good or bad!

[Roland]

Yep pjc, and what if a day, before filling up a slot on a street derelict shop window, that bird may well be class in a 'Good' loft under good managerment as a class bird.

In reality I have no bones in making a statement like 'If one knew the 'Pedigrees' or what they was born from, then one could certainly take a 12 pairs and be more than content with building a loft on them'. 8) 8)

Further to the strays thay end up in our lofts.

Now y/b's one tends to make allowances for.

But what of the 2 yo and above, that may very well be a good consistant bird.... when did that become crap, and unfit to breed from? :-/

Indeed doesn't the arguement stand 'There are better bred birds cluttering up the streets than in many fanciers lofts'. Or, 'The cost of birds that clutter ....'

Like I say, many in prior to the 50's 60's, before Louella broght the prices down especially, Many lofts were set up, flew winners from such birds.

[Guest numpty01]

there are number of fanciers that owe their success to strays breeding the goods myself i beleave no bird is bad the fancier comes into it  no overcrowing nice gentle with birds good grub patance will i beleave assit in birds not going astray overcrowding in most is to blame and being unhappy in loft apart from hawk attack that is then you can lose the lot even youer best

[Roland]

Over crowding is a proven Myth. They leave lofts with plenty of space to go and perch within a peck from other pigeons :-/  :-/. Never see them up street / church pigeons using the ample spaces galore! No they go and get as close as they can to another pair, and stay just a 'Pecking order' distance away. Just a lame crutch, over used by some for own advantage, too many that have no idea, and just repat because they think it sounds right and clever.

When I was - like very many others - we had to step over breeding pairs on floors, Nesting watering cans and buckets, and between two bricks. An 8 x 6 back garden loft house 24 old birds and 24 youngsters. All in fine fettle and great condition etc. etc. But that is another thread. But it is just an over used invalid statement because Most know no different. End on this topic.

So yes many good and sucessful lofts have had and did have good winners of strays. Dick Catlin use to ring the youngsters in the church, and did great. Mr Wills worked on the gas board. Every Black youngster on the Silo's were rung and kept.... he scorched the backside off the Fed.... sould out big time 4 years later to a stud.

[Guest]

No bird can be classed as being goog until it has earnt that title, either racing or breeding, neither can anything be classed as crap until it proves itself that way.

There are casses where the top bird from 1 loft would be considered crap in another, not due to the bird but due to management so i think there is a lot more to clasifying a bird good or bad!

 

Very well put and alot is down to management  and part of good management is learning and studying what makes each bird tick as an individual which is why I personally would say is another reason not to over crowd and have too many birds as not only will the birds be unsettled but you can't get to know them properly if you have too many.

[Guest numpty01]

ROLAND THINKS OVERCROWDING IS MYTH GIVEN BY PEAPLE WHO DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ON ABOUT OHH SORRY JUST REALISED CAPS ON ;D ;D ;D

[budgie]

One thing is for sure there are no pre-potent pairs out there for sale.Beware of the stock pigeons that will now appear in the fancy press which are no good to their present owners and no good to us.Keep clear and avoid the temptation to buy as 98% are Sh-te and hence the reason for offloading.

[pjc]

it will soon be time to offload "surplus to requirements" but they won't all be bad, there will be some genuine birds from genuine fanciers wanting to make room for younger stock but there will be a lot of rubbish.

Do your homework before buying older stock is the best advice!

[Guest numpty01]

also the fanciers that have won constantly and are put in position of get rid off regardless such as bird that has had 3 channel wins 20quid among others :P ;)11 cocks 11 hens

[Guest numpty01]

arden or delbar?????? fed winner or second fed winner or just club winners or mother of 3 times channel winner one after the other as youngster on south road and north rd

[pjc]

you saving that special hen for me!   ;)

[Guest]

i think thats what makes our sport rolly ive often said that if a fancier who was winning out of turn sold his house and lofts/birds to another fancier it doesnt mean all that new owner has to do is send them he might win for a while just like the football managers that take over  good teams (dick advocate) is a good example it took him 3 years to ruin a good team but he did i think i might even got three years with what was left to him so fanciers are no different some very good some not and even money cant guarentee success (but it can help) so there are probably lots of champions in many lofts that will never be known and mabe even on church roofs

[Roland]

i think thats what makes our sport rolly ive often said that if a fancier who was winning out of turn sold his house and lofts/birds to another fancier it doesnt mean all that new owner has to do is send them he might win for a while just like the football managers that take over  good teams (dick advocate) is a good example it took him 3 years to ruin a good team but he did i think i might even got three years with what was left to him so fanciers are no different some very good some not and even money cant guarentee success (but it can help) so there are probably lots of champions in many lofts that will never be known and mabe even on church roofs

 

Cream will rise to the top eh Frank .

Very true, and in all walks of life the same can be said.