Why do they do it????

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

Is removing the ets ring not the same as removing the rubber, as most fanciers do to let you know bird been in? Lets face it if the birds never went in other peoples lofts it would'nt be a problem lol!

 

I am against ets and not going to start giving reasons why but an ets ring costs alot more than a rubber so in my eyes no its not the same not even close. Why not just put a note saying it was in someones loft or is that to much hassle

[Guest]

 

Sorry Mick, don't agree with you on that one.

 

I've had loads of stray pigeons come into my lofts (with ETS rings) and I always give them the chance to rest up for a day or so, feed & water etc.

When I release the pigeon I either put an old rubber or a split ring on one of it's legs, so at least the owner will know if the bird returns.

Never once have I removed the ETS ring, especially not as payment for it's overnight lodgings.

 

Each to their own I suppose!!!!

 

 

It was'nt a statement just a question! I've not raced since ETS was bought in and don't get too many strays over here!! Just thought maybe that would be the mentality as to why they do it.

 

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

sad but been happening for years get lot of forign birds in and irish wen time come to report them they say weres the ets ring"!

[Guest IB]

Yes, agree that it has been reported before on here, and has been going on for years, and as the rings aren't easily removed, it's deliberate theft - an ets ring is the fancier's property. Even removing a rubber isn't really on, because you may be interfering with a current race, and wouldn't surprise me if that was the real reason for removing the ets ones, trying to make life difficult for the owner / prevent the bird being raced.

[Guest]

colin as you know iam not too keen on ets but removing the rings is not on ive had my birds return without there phone no rings removed as well yes i do remove the rubber from a bird to let the owner know its been into another loft as soon as a race bird enters another loft other than its own its race is over nice and simple but at least you got the bird back as soon as our birds go into some lofts with the GB S on it it normally comes out in a bag

[THE FIFER]

morons! isnt that ring just registered to your clock/club? so would be useless to anyone else... .

 

the rings are registered to your union number, but when being registered for someone else it comes up letting who is registering the ring that it is registered to a different loft number, do you want to edit it, so who ever is doing the registering can re register it, so its really up to them if they want to question where you got it,

[carlsberg]

why do they do it because they are scum total dirtbags no other reason than that

[Bluedoo]

I have had numerous pigeons in with ets rings on. I have reported 3 which  were injured/hawked, and would not be fit to be released in the next few weeks. In each case the reply was " Top class breeding, parents cost a fortune, you can keep the bird, but can I get the ring back" .  Says it all really, the ring is worth more than the pigeon.  If it ain't worth more than £1.50 why bother putting the rings on in the first place. Oh and they did not offer to reimburse the postage or time involved going to post their rings back. It takes me time cleaning out baskets, feeding, watering, fuel picking up strays. My latest call is to go 12 miles to pick up another stray. 24 miles return. Very rarely is my stray basket empty between Apr - Aug.  

[Guest Owen]

Removing rubbers to let the owner know that his bird has been in?? You arrogant sods. Why don't you leave the birds alone? It is your choice as to wether you bother with the birds or not. Nobody asked you to.

Acting like that is really nasty in my book. If you want to tell the owner the bird has stopped along the way, why not slip a note on the ring?

I have had birds back from long races in difficult weather with the rings missing. Some favour.

Besides, I can't see how you can get away with the health risks letting stray birds into your loft with your own birds. Very intelligent, I don't think.  

[Blue Chequer Pied]

I have had numerous pigeons in with ets rings on. I have reported 3 which  were injured/hawked, and would not be fit to be released in the next few weeks. In each case the reply was " Top class breeding, parents cost a fortune, you can keep the bird, but can I get the ring back" .  Says it all really, the ring is worth more than the pigeon.  If it ain't worth more than £1.50 why bother putting the rings on in the first place. Oh and they did not offer to reimburse the postage or time involved going to post their rings back. It takes me time cleaning out baskets, feeding, watering, fuel picking up strays. My latest call is to go 12 miles to pick up another stray. 24 miles return. Very rarely is my stray basket empty between Apr - Aug.  

 

That is the difference between a good fancier and a chancer. I only wish everyone was like you and all the other genuine fanciers trouble is they are not. There will always be good and bad in every walk of life lets just concentrate on the good ones.

 

Paul.

[flyingteessider]

Its all a bit strong this scum and dirt bag thing ,i'm a new flyer but kept pigeons years ago i dont no what ets is,  Only today i let a pigeon go after feeding and watering it i removed its rubber to let the person no its been in, What if id removed one of these rings being totaly nieve sonds to me most of you would rather have the ring sent back than the pigeon.

[flyingteessider]

UNLESS YTHEN YOU NO SOME ONE WHO DOES DO IT THEN YOUR JUST SPECULATING

[Bluedoo]

Its all a bit strong this scum and dirt bag thing ,i'm a new flyer but kept pigeons years ago i dont no what ets is,  Only today i let a pigeon go after feeding and watering it i removed its rubber to let the person no its been in, What if id removed one of these rings being totaly nieve sonds to me most of you would rather have the ring sent back than the pigeon.

 

Yes it is lad. You say "if you want your ets ring back then send for your pigeon".  End of Story you dont hear back.  Surprise surprise.

[Blue Chequer Pied]

UNLESS YTHEN YOU NO SOME ONE WHO DOES DO IT THEN YOUR JUST SPECULATING

 

Why else would someone remove an ETS ring? It does not belong to them just the same as the bird that is wearing it does not belong to them. I think any fancier worth his salt will know when a bird returns after days away if it has been in somewhere by the condition it is in so there is no need to remove an ETS ring or a rubber ring for that matter . If they dont they have a lot to learn!

 

Paul.

[flyingteessider]

your dead right bluedoo it says every thing they can put the ets on another pigeon at the end of the season ,The pigeon in the bin propper pigeon men.

[flyingteessider]

NOT

[Guest Owen]

flyingteessider

Sorry mate but you have got that wrong. All I ask is that you leave the bird's rings alone. If you are kind enough to help the bird, good on you. But leave the rings alone. And yes I would like to have my bird back. And no I do not want you to encourage my bird to enter your loft unless they really are knackered and can't go on.

I also think that anyone who lets any stray into their loft is crazy. These days, there are lots of very nasty diseases going about and you would be taking one heck of a risk if you let a diseased pigeon in to infect yours. All it takes is the stray to have a nice drink in your drinker and you troubles will start. If you must mess about with strays, for goodness sake isolate them from yours.

[Bluedoo]

 

Why else would someone remove an ETS ring? It does not belong to them just the same as the bird that is wearing it does not belong to them. I think any fancier worth his salt will know when a bird returns after days away if it has been in somewhere by the condition it is in so there is no need to remove an ETS ring or a rubber ring for that matter . If they dont they have a lot to learn!

 

Paul.

Hi Paul,

And I go back to my previous reply, what if the bird is not fit enough to return? Do they want the pigeon back....no. Ring........yes. And to anyone reading this, I do not take ets rings off.

 

 

[flyingteessider]

Noyouve got me rong i dont let strays in my loft i put them in a holding box in my garage if a stray is knackerd thats were it goes untill its etter a week or even two if need be if its flown out it wont recover in a night i let them go when they are fully recoverd if they stay i report them thats how i would look after your bird i think i no what you might do to mine

[Guest]

Removing rubbers to let the owner know that his bird has been in?? You arrogant sods. Why don't you leave the birds alone? It is your choice as to wether you bother with the birds or not. Nobody asked you to.

Acting like that is really nasty in my book. If you want to tell the owner the bird has stopped along the way, why not slip a note on the ring?

I have had birds back from long races in difficult weather with the rings missing. Some favour.

Besides, I can't see how you can get away with the health risks letting stray birds into your loft with your own birds. Very intelligent, I don't think.  

 

So are you saying if i get your bird in and as per union rules i phone you (as it should be marked)right away you come and collect it when it has not raced to the loft it is measured to thats ok what if some one then puts that rubber in the clock is that ok as well get real its race is finnished as soon as it enters another loft  thats open to foul play

[Guest Owen]

flyingteessider

you don't know me, so why assume that I would do anything other than give your pigeon the best of care if it came into my hands. But, I have to say, that it would not under any circumstances enter my loft. I have a purpose made accomadation for situations like that.

FrankDooman

All my birds are carrying clear, readable wing stamps. And, no, I would not dream about cheating the system in the way you have said. And I think you are streaching credibility to the limits if you think it would be possible to carry out the manouver you suggested. But, the situation is in your hands, you can delay making the telephone call until the last minute and you can arrange for the bird to be picked up later rather than sooner, if you have concerns about the owner's honesty. And, lastly, I doubt if a pigeon will be exhausted within a winning race time in the way you seem to think it would be. If it is not exhausted, leave it clear on it's own. It is not yours or anyone elses business to mess about with the rings on the birds. Please don't spoil what should be a kind and considerate act by interfering with the rings. And if you want to telephone to say you have helped one of my birds, you will only be met with my gratitude.

By the way, I am not so desperate to win races that I need to resort to sharp practice. I can win them in the proper way often enough to suit me, and impress others.

 

 

[Guest]

Do these same people that moan about there ETS rings being removed stamp their birds? I'm sure some do but not all. Have to say if a bird entered my lofts unstamped it would'nt be a problem for anyone else, and certainly would'nt have to worry about the ETS ring!!

 

My mate has had loads in this year and only one stamped, whats that say about the owner?

[Guest numpty01]

Do these same people that moan about there ETS rings being removed stamp their birds? I'm sure some do but not all. Have to say if a bird entered my lofts unstamped it would'nt be a problem for anyone else, and certainly would'nt have to worry about the ETS ring!!

 

My mate has had loads in this year and only one stamped, whats that say about the owner?

icky what do you mean by this comment as a person that gets loads every year stamp or not they go home

 

[Guest chrisss]

Do these same people that moan about there ETS rings being removed stamp their birds? I'm sure some do but not all. Have to say if a bird entered my lofts unstamped it would'nt be a problem for anyone else, and certainly would'nt have to worry about the ETS ring!!

 

My mate has had loads in this year and only one stamped, whats that say about the owner?

 

i don't care if a bird has a wing stamp or not, they all get a fighting chance,its not the birds fault if the wxxxxx flying it cannot/will not wing stamp, why nut the bird based purely on the "sin" of not having a wing stamp,as for the ets ring maybe its the finders way of letting the owner know that the bird has been in some where [or its just plain bleeding spite]

[Guest numpty01]

 

i don't care if a bird has a wing stamp or not, they all get a fighting chance,its not the birds fault if the wxxxxx flying it cannot/will not wing stamp, why nut the bird based purely on the "sin" of not having a wing stamp,as for the ets ring maybe its the finders way of letting the owner know that the bird has been in some where [or its just plain bleeding spite]

i read the comment and that is how i see it as well ???what gives anyone the right to nut a bird that comes into their loft nothing and if anyone nutted one mine and i found out do you think they would get away with it not likely but im hopeing micky just wrote that wrong as one minuite its everyone pathetic and then write that post