Troyii

[No 1]

I hear you have a seven day ban, Lol.

 

Come and join the elite mate.

 

One or two odd bugger's on hear, 99% seem ok though.

[ALF]

Now now mr nae need for that ;D ;D ;D ;D   OR IS THERE????? :-/ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Owen]

It appears that a certain Forum has decided not to allow dicussions about BOP. Are they right in the head or what? I have a problem with the subject just like most people. If you are not suffering the attacks, the subject can be boring and appear to be pointless. On the other hand when you are going throught the upset of it, it is a great relief to be able to talk to someone with a sympathetic ear.

I have heard it said that dicussions on the subject can attract the attention of the pros. I'm afraid I could'nt care less. The only time there is a problem is when there is a case brought against someone for actually doing something. That would take evidence that would stand up in a court. So if there are some who, out of sheer frustration, want to have a bit of a rant, how can that be detremental to anyone anywhere?

We Brits are lucky because we live in a free country and are free from censorship and enjoy the freedom of speach. Surley it would be fundimentally wrong to curtail that right anywhere where opinions are expressed.

All this freedom does bring responsiblity with it. No-one should be allowed to insult others for any reason. And bad language should never be used. Everyone should be allowed and encouraged to have their say without intimidation or bullying. And it is up to the majority of us to see that these standards are maintained.

Sorry about the rant folks but, I feel priviledged to have access to a forum like this, and I want to do all I can to protect it's standards and freedoms. And I would hate to see it go down the road of a dictatership where evrything is subjected to arbitary cesorship.  

[Guest briancol]

i was following that discussion you all where having with RSPB last nite but it seemed to have been cut off in the middle of the discussion,or whatever.

[blackdog]

could someone please put the instructions and diagram on how to make anti mating jackets as i cant find them on other site, thanks.

[Guest mick bowler]

Owen, you also have to remember that the mods and admin are protecting the interests of the site and ALL its members. As i stated on PC, do you know that a website can be closed if it is "promoting illegal activities"? and quite easily too.

 

We all "rant" when we see the RSPB singling out pigeon fanciers in their reports in the persecution of the BOP, well when we have some of the comments we see on these forums its little wonder.

 

I'm not against anyone "protecting their own", i just feel it should be kept under wraps and not feed the enemy with the material they need. Enough us know now how we can deal with the problem, without shouting from the tree tops, again again and again!

 

Should anyone end up being prosecuted over "doing something", do you think its just that person that suffers or the whole fancy?

[Guest peter.j]

It appears that a certain Forum has decided not to allow dicussions about BOP. Are they right in the head or what? I have a problem with the subject just like most people. If you are not suffering the attacks, the subject can be boring and appear to be pointless. On the other hand when you are going throught the upset of it, it is a great relief to be able to talk to someone with a sympathetic ear.

I have heard it said that dicussions on the subject can attract the attention of the pros. I'm afraid I could'nt care less. The only time there is a problem is when there is a case brought against someone for actually doing something. That would take evidence that would stand up in a court. So if there are some who, out of sheer frustration, want to have a bit of a rant, how can that be detremental to anyone anywhere?

We Brits are lucky because we live in a free country and are free from censorship and enjoy the freedom of speach. Surley it would be fundimentally wrong to curtail that right anywhere where opinions are expressed.

All this freedom does bring responsiblity with it. No-one should be allowed to insult others for any reason. And bad language should never be used. Everyone should be allowed and encouraged to have their say without intimidation or bullying. And it is up to the majority of us to see that these standards are maintained.

Sorry about the rant folks but, I feel priviledged to have access to a forum like this, and I want to do all I can to protect it's standards and freedoms. And I would hate to see it go down the road of a dictatership where evrything is subjected to arbitary cesorship.  

and we also have strange laws in this country called conspiracy laws so you only have to talk of doing an offence to be convicted

 

[Guest IB]

and we also have strange laws in this country called conspiracy laws so you only have to talk of doing an offence to be convicted

 

Just a glimmer of a memory of 'conspiracy' being talked about for one week in the letters page of a broadsheet many years ago, mainly by folk that came across as right 'Colonel Blimps' who were trying to get a group charged under conspiracy laws - can't remember who they were talking about - on the grounds that 'conspiracy to do something ' carries a higher penalty than just 'doing the something'..

 

But I think some of the posts on some of the threads are straight incitement - to break the law - and that is ill-advised. Its far from freedom of speech. Do that on the Main Street and its cause enough to be arrested on the spot.

 

I do not like to be included in sweeping press statements put out by RSPB that pigeon fanciers target Birds of Prey. I am part of that group and by implication, in Joe Public's eyes at least, I am guilty of these acts too. RSPB are being 'economical with the truth', they do not say that some fanciers birds are targetted - persecuted - and some of these fanciers can be driven to despair, and then break the Law. And on the same tack, RSPB are quick enough to point out peregrines were persecuted during the war to protect 'carrier' pigeons, first breaking the link between those birds and ours, and secondly failing to tell why the peregrines were 'persecuted' - that these carrier pigeons are todays racing pigeons, and they were carrying messages of vital importance to winning the war, and seen to have a much more important role to mankind than just being peregrines food - thats how these so-called conservationists view todays racing pigeons.

 

Its is the RSPB that are the criminals in this case, and it is they who whoand are forced at times to defend them.

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

It appears that a certain Forum has decided not to allow dicussions about BOP. Are they right in the head or what? I have a problem with the subject just like most people. If you are not suffering the attacks, the subject can be boring and appear to be pointless. On the other hand when you are going throught the upset of it, it is a great relief to be able to talk to someone with a sympathetic ear.

I have heard it said that dicussions on the subject can attract the attention of the pros. I'm afraid I could'nt care less. The only time there is a problem is when there is a case brought against someone for actually doing something. That would take evidence that would stand up in a court. So if there are some who, out of sheer frustration, want to have a bit of a rant, how can that be detremental to anyone anywhere?

We Brits are lucky because we live in a free country and are free from censorship and enjoy the freedom of speach. Surley it would be fundimentally wrong to curtail that right anywhere where opinions are expressed.

All this freedom does bring responsiblity with it. No-one should be allowed to insult others for any reason. And bad language should never be used. Everyone should be allowed and encouraged to have their say without intimidation or bullying. And it is up to the majority of us to see that these standards are maintained.

Sorry about the rant folks but, I feel priviledged to have access to a forum like this, and I want to do all I can to protect it's standards and freedoms. And I would hate to see it go down the road of a dictatership where evrything is subjected to arbitary cesorship.  

 

well said, a great post,there is a "plan" by the looks of things, by the rspb to stop all chat about bops on any/all of the sites,it is the job of the mods /admin to stop any talk of lawbreaking, but they must allow talking about the general problem of these"flying cats" to continue,otherwise they have to live with accusations of been "uncle toms"

[gangster]

and we also have strange laws in this country called conspiracy laws so you only have to talk of doing an offence to be convicted

 

correct pete...

[Guest chrisss]

 

Chris

 

We put the interests of this site first and foremost to everything else - If people disagree with this stance then they obviously have the right to have their membership rescinded.

 

At present the Admin and Mods have taken the decision to allow the BOP threads to remain under the conditions that are placed within the sticky topic on the predators section however if the future of the site is placed at risk due to these posts we will reassess the situation.

 

fair enough thats my point [in its normal roundabout way ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D]at least this site has the bxxxx  to allow the talk about hawks to carry on

[holmsidelofts]

Each person brings valid points to this argument, and yes we do need something done about the BOP issue that we all at some point have issues with but what we cant do is risk  sites like pigeon basics and pigeon chat being closed down, Trust me i have multiple websites up and once people start to make complaints about its content the owners of the servers they are hosted on have the right to close them down, and they will do it without a worry as its important for them not to get black listed amongst the server community, Lets deal with the BOP in the correct way, If people want to talk about actions lets do it via PMs not broadcast it to the world how we intend to deal with it. Pigeon  fanciers are always getting bad press when we shouldnt.

 

Good luck to the guys in wales who have youngbirds in swindon today.

 

 

 

[Guest peter.j]

hi rose i sort of agree with you about the locking etc but if there isnt a mod to moderate it who will lock it ...pete

[Guest Owen]

I will just say this and leave it all to others to make up their minds about these issues.

The idea of incitment is entirely valid in modern Britain. And I would not suport any attempt to provoke others to do things that are not lawful. Although I find it strange that it can be alledged that someone can incite anyone older than 18years of age, the age of responsiblity. People of eighteen plus should have the right to be respected as adults and therefore  have the right to be judged on their actions as free and independent individuals. If that were not the case, then it would not be right to ask them to go to war on all our behalves. But then that is theoretical, I supose. The real issue for me is to find that important compromise. To be able to give people the chance to express themselves about things that worry them without an important Forum like this to being placed under threat. I think we have to accept the situation as it is, and be prepared to use self retraint in the way we express our views and worries. As has already been pointed out we always have the facilty of the pm's to talk more frankly to each other.  

[Guest peter.j]

 

Didnt quite think of that one Pete obviously if there isnt anyone on when it starts nothing much can be done about it which I think is not doing any favours to how things can go but if they are on and then have to go wouldnt it be better to lock it until another mod comes on then they can unlock it all the time they are there too watch it    

 

to many ons and offs for me there rose so ill just agree with you lol ;D

[Guest bristolkev]

can`t a new BOP section be added to the forum thats invisible to guest`s and members that have been on here less than a year.once the year is up for that member the section becomes visble and their free to read and post,surley a guest is not going hang around for a year waiting for this section to become visible.also at the same time we would be able to make out if he or she was a pigeon fancier in the space of a year.it maybe just away of getting rid of unwanted snoopers.we could use our loft numbers as the password to gain access to this new section. then we can talk about BOP freely between ourselves and any members who are fed up with talking about BOP don`t have to enter.

 

[Guest chrisss]

can`t a new BOP section be added to the forum thats invisible to guest`s and members that have been on here less than a year.once the year is up for that member the section becomes visble and their free to read and post,surley a guest is not going hang around for a year waiting for this section to become visible.also at the same time we would be able to make out if he or she was a pigeon fancier in the space of a year.it maybe just away of getting rid of unwanted snoopers.we could use our loft numbers as the password to gain access to this new section. then we can talk about BOP freely between ourselves and any members who are fed up with talking about BOP don`t have to enter.

 

yes good one that could work 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[mealybug]

I think the problems arise when people start putting how many they have "moved on" or how they can be poisened etc.  We all know the major problems the bop causes but we are just giving ammunition to the RSPB by openly bragging about how many we have got rid of or how we can get rid of them.

[fred smyth]

a years a bit long dont u think , maby if u  have to get  2 people to vouch for u and the staff no them  2 pep are sound that would help   shorten it a bit,,easy done u  pm staff then get  ur too people who are vouching  for u  to send  a pm as well ,then ur   sweet ,,that way no strangers can get in ,,,

[Guest numpty01]

welcome back les goodbye les  that was in out quick will ring later ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

i have been here and done that ,its the same every where ,you are all letting the RSPB  come out on top ,the laws of this land were made to look after the well off  ,just like laws have always been made .im not a law abiding person ,so they dont affect me ,i take my chances in life ,[now we cant have that can we] ;D just remember ,internet sites are just a way of saving on postage stamps  and phone calls ,nothing more nothing less ,so dont take them or what is written on them as gospel ,im of to break some more laws its what keeps me happy  and active . make the most of your hobby you wont be at it much longer ,the BOP  will see to that ,just remember twice as many next year ,four times as many the following year ,if you get by with 50 young birds for a season then next year to survive you will need 100  ,and the following year ,200 ,but after that you can breed all you want you wont get through the season ,because folk will have had enough you will be almost on your own ,mark my words ,ATB les AKA  TROYII. ps its not a 7 day ban its a life ban ,i decided this my self .also remember [DONT PUT SALT ON YOUR PIGEONS ,IT MAKES BOP ILL WHEN THEY EAT THEM  .]

 

 

At some time you have to stand up in your life. And it is maybe against the law but there have been many unjust laws, Rose you wouldn't be having your say now if it weren't for the suffragettes. The current law is a persecution on us as pigeon fanciers especially on the west side of the country it is time I think to act, keeping quiet a nudge and a wink how is that helping us, sure we have to be careful how it's approached but I think we need the likes of Troyii to give balance. I've never seen a fight won by moderates yet. The extreme view has always brought people to the negotiation table, doffing the hat never has.

[Guest]

Rose I do not believe anyone should be threatened. And around the negotiaiting table there must be reason. But we've never been at the negotiating table. We have no coherent policy, the RSPB in my opinion has us dangling on a peice of string, what have we achieved in the past 5 years, 12 months, 6 months.... nowt, we all get worked up, attack each other because we have different views. If proper discourse is not available then perhaps people have to take action. By decent discourse, I mean where the RSPB admit the facts about the raptor problem not where they continually lie about the numbers. Rose I have never committed a criminal offence or been charged of one, the only time I have been involved in violence is on the rugby field, I am not a law breaker but I'm at the stage where I think that may have too change and I never thought I would ever say that.