Babybird Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 just out of interest how much does it cost to send a bird racing?
pigeonscout Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 I think the biggest advantage a big team has is in a bad race or smash he then has law of average on the small teams I agree and would also add blow homes.
Guest gladdo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 it was 2 euro a bird in the open race ...... normally think its 40 c or 80 cents ......mikey
Guest peter.j Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 petr the reason i ask the question is there is 3 fanciers in my club that send aprox 80 birds every race and when they lose say 15 like last week they still have 80 maybe more the next ...they must have 150-200 youngbirds each ...id like to be selling the rings !!!! nice thing is when they lost 15 birds otr 20 birds ive obly lost 1 which is maybe down to numbers mate ...just thought id mention it as there is many fliers at our station ( some have won opens etc good fliers but they send 100 at least ) ...ive beaten these with 25 birds easy ...i know you dont need a massive team...i had 9 cocks last year and did famtastic but its nice to give birds a break and bring in fresh birds as it can be tough ...hens no problem but widowhood birds cock s do not like it and you cant hammer these i think .....mikey but dont you think it makes beating them all the more sweeter
REDROCKET Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 after reading all the comments there might just be an advantage so changed plans for next year 120 y/b's lol
Guest spin cycle Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 after reading all the comments there might just be an advantage so changed plans for next year 120 y/b's lol i heard of a fancier who (in 2008) bred 120 ybs....lost 40 so bred himself 30 latebreds (dizzy)
Guest gladdo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 well believe me you want to see how proud i do be when my small nice team but never cocky but im confident when they going in the basket ... it makes it unbelieavabley sweat beating these people who are racing this massive teams believe me as it proves a point ...why you think i went and bought john halls first round i was that impressed with the birds and his results and the way he fly ed only a small team !!!! amazing isnt it ...mikey .. its as simple as this .... A has 200 youngbirds and wins 4 races in season .... b has 40 younbirds and wins 2 races in season ..... who you going to buy off to get youngbirds next season ????? well it has to be b for me for sure without doubt ..... mikey ( dublin ireland )
Guest spin cycle Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 Probably give the bop another big advantage not sure about us more we breed more they feed more we will get ;D spot on IMO....if you've got big teams with several fanciers training out of a similar area...percy is going to learn. a small batch up quickly and away perhaps has a better chance.
REDROCKET Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 dont ee the point in that dont forget these fanciers also run the risk off having to pay to get blost birds returned therefore keeping the couriers in business lol
Guest gladdo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 ok the birds are going up ...these birds must be costing a fortune etc ...my mate won 3 races last year .. he in same club .. he races reasonable team of roughly 50 birds ...he took 2nd - 7th in our club in first youngbird race ..he sent 50 birds roughly ...his whole team ...the birdgage was 700 odd birds first race ... that year he was 2 nd open 12000 odd birds ... 3rd open different race 10000 plus birds and 4th open different race 12000 plus birds..hitting crossbars like this .... however my mate has bigger team this year and he is fantastic pigeon man and only sent 15 hens last week selecting to keep his cocks back for next year ( like that thinking ahead ) i sent th lot trying to win the race as i like to educate,,,it has its ups and downs i suppose there ...its all decisions ... he was late this week ... he won 2 races withthese cocks and 3 2nds so far yet with that sort of striking in our club but he has no hope for competing as these lads are they chasing the averages against each other ...i dont know ...it is very weird but fair play aswell ...or is the winning feeling they want at all times ???? mikey...
Guest gladdo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 i think now that these fanciers who have large number teams ave to have the next bird or birds straight away in which makes sense ...do you ever get one and you say right come on wheres the next one ( i do )... its nice to get them together ...my mate this year said he got such a big buzz from it as he now has a bigger team that next year he will get more .... one thing id say is they have to well spaced out so id say all in all if i had lots of room left id use it up but i do not overcroud as this in my eyes would lead toproblems withthese youngsters .... mikey .....
fletch Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 my thinking on this is send as many as you like you only need one to win the race, take yesterday we were 2nd & 4th out of 400 birds we sent 16birds the winner sent 54 he only needed one and he got it, my opinion is ya pay yourt money you take your chance, but numbers do give you a bigger chance of getting one, but we would rather be selective in our sending least you have better chance to get the right bird and less birds mean tame birds and have indvidual time for them with a smaller number of birds, also the feeding bill must be immense, for these fanciers and how often do these mob flyers get the pool money.
REDROCKET Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 we sent 61 on friday night, waiting on 3 the birds are in top condition there all well bred and all bred to win, we got 3rd,7th,11th and14th against nearly 900 birds there not getting sent out every week with the thought of may the best return we want them all back with no exceptions its not a case of breed to make up the numbers
Guest gladdo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 yes thats a great add there fletch ... i agree yes ... i would have to say half the time it may not cost that much feeding as they are flying them to the tin ( starving ) but a tough race will soon eliminate them ...i personally have never raced a bird starving ...i would nt neither id rathr them race to their home and me and partners than do that .... i always allow them what they like...birds in form will never over eat or drink ...its all about the timing of the food and drinks before they get basketed ... mikey dublin , ireland ... oh yeah and if you starve them i think it can have affects then the following year as yearlings...maybe im wrong but only my thought ...what you think ??? mikey
Guest pigeon82 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 i doesnt think it makes a difference i started with a team of 17 and one person started with a team of 100 i have 12 left and he has 50 odd left its what you do with your birds to make them get home sent 8 on saturday and had all 8 with in 6 hrs first one was 4hrs 21 mins and the rest dropped in after that i love a small team those eight have had 6 or 7 races now and they will keep going hopefully
mark croker Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 1 Member of my club lost 60 young birds in 2 weeks, i havee lost 1 all season out off 26
Ronnie Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 a goodfancier with a smallteam does well a good fancier with a big team will do better providing they have the room to house them . I dont think numbers matter so much in old bird racing but i do believe its a big advantage in youngbird racing. Also what a lot of people fail to notice is a lot of the so called mob fliers are partnerships and if they fly a team of 60 its the same as a single flier sending 30. well thats how i see it anyway it only takes one but you got more chance of getting that one with a big team of youngsters. i think if you take a good look at your old bird team you can pick the one in your shed before basketing.
Guest pigeon82 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 i understand that but i have no old birds that have raced in my loft but i can pick a young bird in my loft shes been to 6 races first race 2nd club 7th fed 10th section 2nd race 3rd clb 12th fed and my last race 2nd club dunno boutfed yet but i love the wee blue pd
Guest gladdo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 ronnie we not talking about partnerships...i would nt say 6 is a mob flier but close to 100 would be ... no offence but just the word they use for it ... ive nothing agaist as its up to the fancier ..whatever suits the individual fancier good luck to them ...i think its that winning buzz and need the birds coming constantly as i said ...mikey
jimmy white Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 the fancier with the smallest birdage,, but the biggest result, will be better thought of, ,,,,
Ronnie Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 no offense taken mate i'm all for people flying whatever they are happy with i myself bred 36 this year(a big team for me) due to bad training tosses and bad management by myself i went into racing with 13 i have 12 left after 4 race's i won the first one and took a card in two others being last man in one.To be hohnest if i had the money i wouldl ove to be able to build an extension on the loft and race 100 a week .Lol theres still the lottery dream eh
Guest gladdo Posted August 16, 2009 Report Posted August 16, 2009 yes jimmy you are right thats a point here .... its better to buy the birds of the fancier that does very well witht the small team ... even for instance... fancier C races 100 birds and wins open fancier d races 40 birds and finshes 4th ... then next open fancier c races 80 and finishes 5th open fancier d races 30 and finishes 10 th ... fancier c going to be very dear more likely and people may only look at the winner ...in this sort of situation ill be looking at who has done well etc that races small team but up with the oace ... its ok having the birds but then its what you do with them and that s going to be different than both fanciers ... but you also need good birds ...mikey
Guest j.bamling Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 yes jimmy you are right thats a point here .... its better to buy the birds of the fancier that does very well witht the small team ... even for instance... fancier C races 100 birds and wins open fancier d races 40 birds and finshes 4th ... then next open fancier c races 80 and finishes 5th open fancier d races 30 and finishes 10 th ... fancier c going to be very dear more likely and people may only look at the winner ...in this sort of situation ill be looking at who has done well etc that races small team but up with the oace ... its ok having the birds but then its what you do with them and that s going to be different than both fanciers ... but you also need good birds ...mikey my thoughts are a little bit differant we have bought from both guys the one that sends 100 and the one that sends 20 (both v/good flyers) and i would say the birds from the guy what sends 100 are my best and are still winning !!! because in my opinion i can improve the guys with 100 by keeping less than him and looking after them better where the guy what only races 20 is at the top of his game and there is not much improvement in his birds !!! I always look to see a guy racing consitantly at the top level from a bad location or an unfavourable loft position !!! p.s these are just my thoughts ;D
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