Injunction threatened

[PATTY BHOY]

Your job is to come out of this winning. You will not do that by loosing your temper or indulging in stupid things like throwing punches in front of wittnesses.

The time for that will come. But it is not now. You need to allow him to take this to Court, where he will loose. Better still the details of the hearing will be on record. That's called winning.

Then when the dust has settled and people are forgetting what has happened you deal with him properly, without talking and in a quiet place with no one to watch. And when you've finished that bit of business you should have no more trouble with him or anyone else.

That is called putting a problem to bed.

 

here here.. ;D ;D ;)

[Guest]

the main thing here is not to reply  to his letters, as they  cost him £25-£35 a time  let him raise the  action as when it gets throughen out he picks up the tab ;D :X

 

there has been some good advice this is one of them the only bad thing about the likes of this is that if he has money to waist wheather he wins or not it involves you in costs untill its resolved i would sugest you dont enter into any kind of dialoug with this nut case and the worst thing you can do at this stage is threaten him in any way this might frizzle away to nothing threats will only inflame the situation but as owen says get prepared incase it does go to court get yourself a good camara with date stamp and get your self plenty of photos of seaguls crows and any other birds on his roof the more the better over a period of time say a couple of month on a regular basis this will go a long way if the worst happens all the best hope it goes well

[Guest bigda]

But if he wins he passes that tab onto you and the Court don't take a good view of ignorance.  

 

 

well you havent added to the cost by replying  :X like a numb skull,  the  week of the court day is time enough to reply ??) ??)

[Guest IB]

Legal Advice is free, go along and see a solicitor, know from the start where you stand legally.

 

Don’t get involved with the neighbour. Leave that to your solicitor in court, if it comes to court, which I doubt.

 

Don’t confuse the issues. Council Planning & Environment have nothing to do with his current complaint, which is that your birds when out flying are causing Nuisance, which is Civil, not Criminal Law. But ask these Council Services what his complaint about you was, and their ‘findings’. Get that in writing. You have a right to know who your accuser is, and what the complaint is.

 

All neighbours that share a boundary with your property – get something in writing from them on what kind of neighbour you are, and whether your birds cause them problems.

 

The length of time you have had pigeons, the length of time he has been a neighbour and the timing of the current complaint are also very important.  If he has lived next door to the pigeons for years without complaint, and suddenly complains now, or if you have recently built a new loft and he waited until it was completed before complaining, or if he has complained out of spite, then there is Planning Case Law precedents for his complaint being thrown out by the Court.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

[mark croker]

A fellow club member had the same problem that went on for years and he still has the loft up, when i was doing his roof i seen this guy shooting at the birds with a catapult and he said dont worry hes alwas at it,      I know what i would do if i seen that SHOOT HIS FAMILY, I think There was a case in america somewere, the fellas birds were on the next doors drive all the time and the courts band pigeons in that state,

 

From the chicago times

Dec. 24--A federal appeals court ruling this week clipped the hopes of Chicago pigeon racers who said a city law banning pet pigeons was unconstitutional. On Thursday, a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals judge upheld an earlier District Court court ruling that found the city was within its rights to ban racing pigeons as pets. Members of one of the nation's oldest racing clubs were crestfallen Friday.

 

The case pitted the property rights of the 70 or so members of Chicago's pigeon-racing club, the Greater Chicago Combine and Center, against those of neighbors who complained of scattered feathers, excessive ...

 

 

[hotrod]

gd if its a council house tell him that if he doesnt stop this stupid complaint you are going to swap houses with the junkie drug dealer along the street ,the one that has parties all night long and has all sorts hanging around (YOU KNOW THE ONES IM TALKING ABOUT) every place has them ,this might sort it out

[Guest]

gd if its a council house tell him that if he doesnt stop this stupid complaint you are going to swap houses with the junkie drug dealer along the street ,the one that has parties all night long and has all sorts hanging around (YOU KNOW THE ONES IM TALKING ABOUT) every place has them ,this might sort it out

 

your no looking for a move again big man???????? ;D ;D

[Guest JPH]

 

your no looking for a move again big man???????? ;D ;D

no he has no neighbours they have all moved away ;D ;D

 

 

[flyingteessider]

make sure you have permission for your lofts

[hotrod]

 

your no looking for a move again big man???????? ;D ;D

tut tut frank .

 

 

[Guest]

tut tut frank .

 

 

sory big man i only meant the party animal thing after the wedding  ;D ;D ;D

[gorsy bank lofts]

had something simular years ago. *expletive removed* next door complained pigeons sh** on his washing.

complained to council 3 times i recorded him putting corn out to try to tice them over but ended up with garden full of wild birds (which i recorded him feeding and them sitting on his washing)

council came again and i showed him the footage he was outraged and told neighbour if he called them out again without cause he would be fined for all visits. (this really pissed him off). :'(

 

months later he said i had rats and they had dug a hole into his garden from my side.

pest control came out confirmed it was a bees nest hole and it was illegal to disturb it.

i recorded him filling hole called council guess what *expletive removed* got fined.pissed me off at time but revenge was sweet.

 

my advice is record what you are doing and prove your birds not a problem save it till you need it,

courts dont like being made fools of.

bare in mind he may be recording you so give him no ammo.

 

atb

lyndon

[Guest Denny]

I had a very similar situation only recently, my neighbours were accusing my birds of causing problems with the tiles on their roof and making a mess about their garden.  A few little pointers to my neighbour with a few chosen sentences, it has all died down.  I also asked for the support of my other neighbours who have all signed a 'petition' which I presented to my annoying neighbour and the shock on her face was a picture in itself, where they all declared that they have had no problems whatsoever with my birds, and infact one mentioned that they are very happy for the birds to land on thier roof as they are picking out all the rubbish which is in their gutters!

 

I reminded her that these were pigeons that were landing on her roof and not elephants and whilst she was after my birds for the 'supposed damage' I asked her to sue Mother Nature as well for the crows, magpies, stock pigeons and all other birds who also land on the roof.  I mentioned that if the tiles were loose it was probably due to nail sickness let alone the general age of the tiles and the nails in them and that they would probably need all replacing.  As for soiling her washing I reminded her that if she continued to put bread etc on the roof of her garage only feet away from her washing line then she was to expect poo from all the birds the food attracts.

 

Let just say 'all is now well on the Western Front' these days and not one word is mentioned about my birds!

 

[pigeonscout]

Is his land freehold if not then in the eyes of the law he does not own it.

[mark croker]

I had it when i first moved in but no one would own up to it, blameing the birds for crapping on the washing, at the time i only had babies that could not fly and had never been out  ;D

[retired]

Im still fighting over getting the loft i want here however the neighbours for now are under control.

 

As Gorsy says log everything your neighbour does even down to farting in the back garden and this can all be presented when the need arises.

 

We logged everything that had happened before my arrest and had a good amount of info and pictures to present not only to the police but also the HA - In the end the police decided my neighbours were wasting time and not solid enough over interview so it was all dropped.

 

The relationship between us is beyond repair and once i have the loft i want on the garden i will certainly feel its game,set and match.

 

Keep your head up mate and dont let the ****** win - Head before fist  ;D

[just ask me]

pity all this is going on i know circumstances are different for everyone and must be a terrible to have to fight to keep your birds

 

 

but the bigger question going a little off point again i know but is a lot of this down too how pigeons are seen by the public  ignorance i feel in a lot of cases is why there trouble unfortunately we are trying to cure a lot of other problems when we still have not cured how our birds are seen by the public (flying rats)

 

i do understand  with some neighbours there just no talking to them had a bad one to in my time but i do think the above point is a valid one

 

[Guest strapper]

i have new neighbours which at the moment seem a bit snobby.

i may have got them wrong but im waiting for them to move in fully as they are decorating at the moment.

never had any trouble all the time ive had the birds with neighbours.

but i can assure ,they could do what they like to get rid of my birds ...but they would have a lifetime of regret for doing so....even if they moved elsewhere.

 

remember one thing ......its better to deal with the devil you know... than the devil you dont!

 

they might turn out nice peeps!

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

Im still fighting over getting the loft i want here however the neighbours for now are under control.

 

As Gorsy says log everything your neighbour does even down to farting in the back garden and this can all be presented when the need arises.

 

We logged everything that had happened before my arrest and had a good amount of info and pictures to present not only to the police but also the HA - In the end the police decided my neighbours were wasting time and not solid enough over interview so it was all dropped.

 

The relationship between us is beyond repair and once i have the loft i want on the garden i will certainly feel its game,set and match.

 

Keep your head up mate and dont let the ****** win - Head before fist  ;D

 

Does that mean stick the head in him then use your fist on the way down lol

 

Had a neighbour who moaned for ages about the my pigeons but i just ignored him then 1 day he was in his outside cupboard and was just shooting at the sky trying to get the birds my neighbour 2 doors the other way told me so I kept this up my sleeve and saw him myself 1 day doing the same. I saw red but kept my cool called the police and told them what was going on and that the street was full of kids and he was just firing up and the pellet could hit 1 police came cautioned him and I was standing out my back and they searched for the gun in the cupboard couldnt find it and I heard them say another single report and your done mate and if we dont find ur gun we will find 1.

 

Belive it or not this *expletive removed* works for the council and never said another word to me about the bird  

 

 

[Guest]

i have new neighbours which at the moment seem a bit snobby.

i may have got them wrong but im waiting for them to move in fully as they are decorating at the moment.

never had any trouble all the time ive had the birds with neighbours.

but i can assure ,they could do what they like to get rid of my birds ...but they would have a lifetime of regret for doing so....even if they moved elsewhere.

 

remember one thing ......its better to deal with the devil you know... than the devil you dont!

 

they might turn out nice peeps!

Probably not the best thing you can do is go on public record making threats Paul, besides you never know your new neighbour might be a psycho and cause you more problems than you could cause them.  ;D ;D ;D ;D   Best way Paul, nip around, ask them if they want a hand decorating and if they say yes say you'll go look for someone.  Sure way to break the ice.  

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

none of us have any legal training [i think] the best thing to do is see a legal expert,[i am assuming that nothing this clown has said to you is in writing?]let him know whats going on and take his advice,i would be interested in how you get on as my new ones next store are not exactly pigeon fans ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

none of us have any legal training [i think] the best thing to do is see a legal expert,[i am assuming that nothing this clown has said to you is in writing?]let him know whats going on and take his advice,i would be interested in how you get on as my new ones next store are not exactly pigeon fans ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

My son does Chrisss, I always ask him as he has access to legal areas of the web that us mere mortals don't.  

 

 

[Guest strapper]

Probably not the best thing you can do is go on public record making threats Paul, besides you never know your new neighbour might be a psycho and cause you more problems than you could cause them.  ;D ;D ;D ;D   Best way Paul, nip around, ask them if they want a hand decorating and if they say yes say you'll go look for someone.  Sure way to break the ice.  

 

 

well as i never said what the regret would intail i have no worry

i might give them dirty looks everytime i see them! ;D

i might even not send them any xmas cards! ;D

or i might not even invite them round for a cuppa! ;D ;D

 

who knows what i meant..

 

they got more chance of me popping round doing the wall paper than me becoming the next pope...even though my names paul.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

wallpapering is the next worst thing to watching cricket ??)

[Guest]

 

well as i never said what the regret would intail i have no worry

i might give them dirty looks everytime i see them! ;D

i might even not send them any xmas cards! ;D

or i might not even invite them round for a cuppa! ;D ;D

 

who knows what i meant..

 

they got more chance of me popping round doing the wall paper than me becoming the next pope...even though my names paul.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

wallpapering is the next worst thing to watching cricket ??)

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D