best birds

[alvagate]

there is a loft at bridlington D FUSSEY who only sends a few 3/4 at the most and all ways clocks and i have been told he as been doing this for years in the NFC and MNFC

 

well done dave

[BLACK W F]

GUYS HAVE WENT DOWN  SOUTH PART OF SCOTLAND WITH THE SAME BIRDS AND WON IT SANDY BAIN COMES TO MIND   JUST SHOWS EVEN THE 2 DAY BIRDS MUST BE 2 GOOD

POINT PROVEN     MANY BIRDS DO YOU THINK JIM SENDS  AND LOOK HOW MANY HE CLOCKS     WELL DONE JIM THE KING OF THE DISTANCE MEN WITH OUT DOUBT JMO

[Guest frank dooman]

good fanciers will win where ever they race take any 1 of them and move them north/west /east/south they will still win

[BLACK W F]

at long last  a fancier speaking the way it is your bang on Frank

[alvagate]

hi how many does jim send to the 700mle racers

 

ian

[Albear]

i doo beleve jim donaldson is up thare with the grates of distance men but you will never make a 2 day bird into a 1 day bird and a lot of the big races down soth is won on the day so that rules him out ;) ;)

 

 

Don'tunderstand your highness, Brian Denny did clock on the day form 700 Miles true... but what are you saying?????????? Or is down soth Glsagow???? Not being royalty I'm lost!!!

[Guest frank dooman]

got to agree with you albear Brian Denny is prob. the most consistant at that distance over the last few years and i think he will go up there with Biss and co if hes not allready there

[Blue Tooner]

hi how many does jim send to the 700mle racers

 

ian

 

Normaly 2 or 3 to the 700 mile race and a max of 6 or 7 to the 600 mile races.

 

 

[Albear]

 

I am not saying there isnt top fliers up there,( top doomen everywhere )what Im saying is, if the likes of Richard Combe, Jim Hannah, G.Rankin, P.Virtue, J.Hodgeson, were sitting in a loft next to him, then they would do same. IMO it is harder to fly a pigeon 550 miles into the west than 600+mls into the north east especially with the normal westerly winds. No question about the abilities of Donaldson, but definately not in a league of his own.

 

ps.  I know a guy that moved to Duns and was in top 20 open from Rennes immediately with a yearling.He hadnt scored in Rennes before and after winning out of turn, he moved back to the west and barely timed in .

 

Delboy have to agree having flown to the west of the UK and the east of the UK... flying to the west provides far more hazards... Jim Donaldson is a top man but i can think of nowhere else in the country where 1 man is thought to be the only man in his area at a particular distance, does that mean you guys in the ene of Scotland need to pull your finger out?

[Guest JonesyBhoy]

hi how many does jim send to the 700mle racers

 

ian

 

Eastbourne 3 sent, Alencon 2 sent, Ypres 6 sent, Andrezel 2 sent and Falaise 4 sent

[Guest frank dooman]

 

Normaly 2 or 3 to the 700 mile race and a max of 6 or 7 to the 600 mile races.

 

 

i realy dont see why we go on about how many a fancier sends to thease races i can only wish i could have 10 to send that just shows how strong that fanciers distance team is and lets face it to get them right for that distance they have had to done well from many/many long races and class allways comes through cream to the top and all that!!!!!!!!

[Albear]

 

i realy dont see why we go on about how many a fancier sends to thease races i can only wish i could have 10 to send that just shows how strong that fanciers distance team is and lets face it to get them right for that distance they have had to done well from many/many long races and class allways comes through cream to the top and all that!!!!!!!!

 

Agreed surely the question is how many 600/700 mile races does he compete in a year? (would like to know)

[Guest frank dooman]

 

Agreed surely the question is how many 600/700 mile races does he compete in a year? (would like to know)

 

i agree with you one of the north boys might be able to ans. that, in the last 4/5 years the scottish distances have come down and we seem hellbent on throwing more into the so called inland nat. (i dont believe there is such a thing) the last 2 years we have got a marking station for saintes but only a few fanciers have used it the north boys used to be able to get well over the 600mls at least a couple of times a year not now i would think the only fanciers that get over 600mls on a regular bassis are the north of england fanciers in the big nat clubs

[Albear]

Yep interesting Frank. I live way down south if you look at the mapI live about 17 miles north of Exeter about 2 miles nw of jct 27 on the M5 but I get 556 miles for that from Tarbes! Barcelona to me is 707, I would fly the BICC that would give me every race I think (?) at least 600 mile, so as I tried to say earlier, I don't think there is consistent real long distance racing in the UK other than in the BICC (I am not a member cause it's a 100 miles to marking! [and I ain't got the strength in depth]). So if you want 600/700 milers forget Scotland it happens in England consistently (for a few but never the less it is available)

[Blue Tooner]

 

Delboy have to agree having flown to the west of the UK and the east of the UK... flying to the west provides far more hazards... Jim Donaldson is a top man but i can think of nowhere else in the country where 1 man is thought to be the only man in his area at a particular distance, does that mean you guys in the ene of Scotland need to pull your finger out?

 

Don't know about pulling the finger out, but one thing for sure is we're not frightened of 600 - 700 miles here and more importantly not frightened of an empty clock. I sent to all 4 channel races this year and managed to get in the section prizes in 3 of them, not up to Jims standards but I would wager that's Jim's record in the North section will never be beaten.

 

[Guest frank dooman]

thats the problem no one can help where they live and some time even if you want to race thease distances you cant its the same you can only race against the fanciers that are sending but i dont think any less of the winners nearly every fancier i talk to say they are not interisted in the in land nat yet if you try and remove it at the agm they look at you like you have horns its slowly ruining our distance racing but the the money takes over not 1 of the scottish nat clubs have a race over 600mls(to central scotland) nown thats sad!!!!!!!

[Albear]

 

Don't know about pulling the finger out, but one thing for sure is we're not frightened of 600 - 700 miles here and more importantly not frightened of an empty clock. I sent to all 4 channel races this year and managed to get in the section prizes in 3 of them, not up to Jims standards but I would wager that's Jim's record in the North section will never be beaten.

 

Well done mate, good flying...but what were the distances??

[jimmy white]

i think through the years there have been many greats ,all over the u,k  at these distances,, jim sanderson, not too far from me, won the snfc nantes race twice at 600 miles,, if my memory serves me right he was also second at one time [scoring in many 5-600 mile races,, another was cormack of wynchburgh,,, although [as far as i remember , never actualy winning a nat , i could be wrong,, but to be never out the result in almost 30 years, in not the best of locations  takes some beating,,, off course i will mention" sir colin" ist bird into scot flying over 600 miles being 2cnd national,, also being 25th open nantes and scoring twice also at 505 miles in the sartilly  nat, before breaking his wing in his prime,,, although this was a great pigeon , i wouldnt even try and put myself in the same leaugue [spelt wrong ;D] of the likes of these guys, but marvelous how all these guys do it,, all credit to all of them

[BLACK W F]

frank  you stated earlier that good fanciers will win any where  and i do agree with you there  but jim is in a class of his own for consistency  look at his performances they speak for them selves   regards albears comments  there are many top distance men in the north jim is just a notch above  and i mean top men who if mooved would no doubt win a national  

[TonyW]

Just to put a different angle on this, the title of this thread says best birds not best fancier, now i would say look at a few things ie number of entrants by a loft and what % return from 600+ miles , also take note of age of birds how many times have these birds been to these races, ie i know of a fancier who has won these 600+ races at National level but more importantly is consistant year in year out birds of 9yrs old flying 700 miles birds flying Barcelona and a few weeks later flying from Marseille. The returns are probably higher than 75% in fact prob pushing 80 or 90%. There is probably a minimum of 15 orso birds in this loft that have been to Barcelona most yearlings would have been to Tarbes 550ish miles all 2 yr old and over will have been over 600miles most on more than 1 occassion not bad for a loft only about 18x6 in total no seperate yb loft So there are many different views on what we all believe

[Albear]

frank  you stated earlier that good fanciers will win any where  and i do agree with you there  but jim is in a class of his own for consistency  look at his performances they speak for them selves   regards albears comments  there are many top distance men in the north jim is just a notch above  and i mean top men who if mooved would no doubt win a national  

 

The top men in the North for me when I started up were Ritchie & Whyte and Walter Masson. Perception is a funny thing. I would suggest that you are right that there are other top menequaklly as good as Donaldson but being human we build a mystique around them. I believe this has grown up through the way modern journalism has developed. Journalists today tend to 'create' the stories rather than the stories develop, we are more interested in 'celebrity'.

This happened in the pigeon game the man who exploited this was Lycett and also Bigwood who were great friends  (don't know whether as a result of commercialisation or knew each other before they became commercial).

So there are lots of claims about long distance flying in to the ene of Scotland (and I think an incredibly tough area to fly into) BUT can someone please spell out the distances to fly to Fraserburgh say from the four SNFC races this past year.

And who are the top men besides Donaldson at the distance, that stops speculation.

[Albear]

Just to put a different angle on this, the title of this thread says best birds not best fancier, now i would say look at a few things ie number of entrants by a loft and what % return from 600+ miles , also take note of age of birds how many times have these birds been to these races, ie i know of a fancier who has won these 600+ races at National level but more importantly is consistant year in year out birds of 9yrs old flying 700 miles birds flying Barcelona and a few weeks later flying from Marseille. The returns are probably higher than 75% in fact prob pushing 80 or 90%. There is probably a minimum of 15 orso birds in this loft that have been to Barcelona most yearlings would have been to Tarbes 550ish miles all 2 yr old and over will have been over 600miles most on more than 1 occassion not bad for a loft only about 18x6 in total no seperate yb loft So there are many different views on what we all believe

 

Aye but do you want sterile threads? Ths in imo has developed into a very interesting thread, with some great debate.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

The top men in the North for me when I started up were Ritchie & Whyte and Walter Masson. Perception is a funny thing. I would suggest that you are right that there are other top menequaklly as good as Donaldson but being human we build a mystique around them. I believe this has grown up through the way modern journalism has developed. Journalists today tend to 'create' the stories rather than the stories develop, we are more interested in 'celebrity'.

This happened in the pigeon game the man who exploited this was Lycett and also Bigwood who were great friends  (don't know whether as a result of commercialisation or knew each other before they became commercial).

So there are lots of claims about long distance flying in to the ene of Scotland (and I think an incredibly tough area to fly into) BUT can someone please spell out the distances to fly to Fraserburgh say from the four SNFC races this past year.

And who are the top men besides Donaldson at the distance, that stops speculation.

 

Hi Albear

 

Alencon 644

Andrazel 656

Ypres 511

Falaise 610

 

 

[Albear]

Hi Gareth, now that is a top top program and I take my hat off to you, that is I would say the best national distance program in the UK having said that if you fly the NFC to the North of England you have similar distances I would think, the BICC has similar capability but is much more an 'elite' club in my opinion, are those Fraserburgh distances or yours?

[Albear]

Just to put a different angle on this, the title of this thread says best birds not best fancier, now i would say look at a few things ie number of entrants by a loft and what % return from 600+ miles , also take note of age of birds how many times have these birds been to these races, ie i know of a fancier who has won these 600+ races at National level but more importantly is consistant year in year out birds of 9yrs old flying 700 miles birds flying Barcelona and a few weeks later flying from Marseille. The returns are probably higher than 75% in fact prob pushing 80 or 90%. There is probably a minimum of 15 orso birds in this loft that have been to Barcelona most yearlings would have been to Tarbes 550ish miles all 2 yr old and over will have been over 600miles most on more than 1 occassion not bad for a loft only about 18x6 in total no seperate yb loft So there are many different views on what we all believe

 

Tony who is it?