PEREGRINE WEB CAM

[BLACK W F]

may be an eagle owl will come a calling then there will be 4 less  lol

[Guest]

Read this:

 

http://www.rspb.org.uk/datewithnature/sites/cheddargorge/index.asp

 

Is it me or does the first few lines sum up the RSPB? The Peregrine being championed in favour of the Green Woodpecker, another species on the way down, even by RSPB standards on the "amber" alert!!

[PIGEONJIMI]

Yep, that ring has been there for several days now. Over the weekend a pigeon was brought to the nest carrying a race rubber, closed ring and Identity Marker ring. (ALL plainly visible)

Taken from the Derby site a week ago,Take a close look & you will see ring&rubber

[Guest]

As I have said before the RSPB should stand for the Royal Society for the Persy-cution of Birds. More in line with what is happening!!! The sad fact is 90% of the public don't know, don't care, about what happens, and most of them couldn't identify, even the most common species. They only know a Robin because someone told them it is what is on a Christmas card

[Guest]

If anyone would like to pass remarks on this subject please do so on this thread (or another one) and not by personal message!

 

Yes it is possible the picture is copyrighted, if you would like to forward me details of who owns it i will contact the owner requesting permission to use, but it will not be deleted until i receive it.

 

If this is a problem then please forward "your soloicitors" (your words) details and i will forward mine.

 

And, no i am not " a typical belligerent single minded pigeon fancier" (again your words), and i was til a while ago an RSPB subsciber, but  above all i am a bird lover, and a firm believer in nature and that it should be left alone.

[Guest]

If anyone would like to pass remarks on this subject please do so on this thread (or another one) and not by personal message!

 

Yes it is possible the picture is copyrighted, if you would like to forward me details of who owns it i will contact the owner requesting permission to use, but it will not be deleted until i receive it.

 

If this is a problem then please forward "your soloicitors" (your words) details and i will forward mine.

 

And, no i am not " a typical belligerent single minded pigeon fancier" (again your words), and i was til a while ago an RSPB subsciber, but  above all i am a bird lover, and a firm believer in nature and that it should be left alone.

 

Well said Mick

 

[PIGEONJIMI]

Not sure of the legalities of copyright but my source for the photo in my post was here

 

[Guest]

As I have said before the RSPB should stand for the Royal Society for the Persy-cution of Birds. More in line with what is happening!!! The sad fact is 90% of the public don't know, don't care, about what happens, and most of them couldn't identify, even the most common species. They only know a Robin because someone told them it is what is on a Christmas card

 

Just had an idea Bob, your a good graphic designer, (seen a logo of yours) why not knock up some birthday/xmas cards etc with TRUE picture of what these birds do to the sport.   just an idea mind, might not work but if you don't try...  I'd buy some and gladly donate to forum funds.

 

 

[gooner]

you know we are all here looking at the raising of a nest of percies, perhaps we should fight fire with fire and someone should put a web cam up in ther lofts and show thehours of dedication that we fanciers put into our birds. Perhaps then these RSPB idiots will understand why us pigeon fanciers are so ticked off with there bops tearing our birds to shreds

[Guest]

Would willingly knock up some ideas and post them on here. All I ask is that you pm me and I will send the artwork to you to print off at your leisure, and you can make a donation to the sight. My services are as always.... FREE

[The Navigator]

The tucking thing is ripping another one up on the site now????

[Guest shadow]

and its got a pink ring on it :(

[Guest shadow]

just upsetting going to stop watching them :(

[Chairman]

Its 13.50 hrs and the female is tucking into her second meal of the day, anyone lost a blue one???????

Beware as these youngsters grow they will have to supply around 7 or 8 pigeons per day, so anyone in this area with youngsters missing look no further, they always take the birds that fly on the outer edges of the pack simular to a sheep dog sheeding sheep into a ring.

She manouvres and gathers them up and then from high above once he see's and targets a bird flying loosly he shuts up into his lethal stoop and very rarely misses.

[goshawk]

Hi

 

i know the peregrine population is back on the rise, but how often do birds go missing from racers lofts? and hwo often have ppl witnessed it happen in there loft via a peragrine? just curious and please no bullcrap or exagerations. just from witnesses please.

i must admit i dont like some of the comments that are said, ie the songbird decline argument is crap in my view. its all down to habitat distruction,

im just trying to get a better understanding, please dont think im try to insight something here as i fly a bop, im serously interested in some of your views.

atb lee

[Guest numpty01]

nice chattinhg to you lee bye for now :P :P

[Guest]

You will get an awful lot of replies from genuine people who have first hand accounts of peregrine strikes on their birds. You asked pigeon fanciers to be open, honest and NOT to exagerate. I hope you are open honest and accept these accounts from pigeon fanciers and accept the decimation these BOP are causing to our hobby.

I have witnessed 2 attacks/kills on my birds in the past 2 months. FACT NOT FANTASY

[Guest numpty01]

anyone answering this thread bob needs their head seeing to mate  ;D ;D ;D

[Guest numpty01]

must admit i dont like some of the comments that are said, ie the songbird decline argument is crap in my view. its all down to habitat distruction??????? that gives you the answer on who this is the age old song it aint us gov

[Guest]

Hi

 

i know the peregrine population is back on the rise, but how often do birds go missing from racers lofts? and hwo often have ppl witnessed it happen in there loft via a peragrine? just curious and please no bullcrap or exagerations. just from witnesses please.

i must admit i dont like some of the comments that are said, ie the songbird decline argument is crap in my view. its all down to habitat distruction,

im just trying to get a better understanding, please dont think im try to insight something here as i fly a bop, im serously interested in some of your views.

atb lee

 

Lee are you any good at maths? Work out how many BOP there are now that take live birds, and how many birds they take during the course of the year. Compare this to some 5 or 10 years ago. Now in my reckoning there are more BOP now so they must be taking more prey. If the prey is declining because of increased BOP numbers then they breed less young, and so on it goes.

 

Unless you agree that they are taking racing pigeons? The RSPB are defending a two edged sword, in their opinion the BOP don't catch many songbirds (to have a detrimental effect) or racing pigeons. So if their numbers are on the increase (and there prey obviously decreasing) then what they eating?

 

Please no bullcrap or exagerations

[Guest]

I have looked into the Copyright and what was posted by Mickb on this site and just done the following -

 

I have just come off the phone to Derby City Council where i have just spoken to there Head of Internet Services who has given permission for the still or video images from there site to be republished on this site on the ONE following condition -

 

- Acknowledgement of source is attached with the picture.

 

I have modified Mickb's original thread to also show the source and all i suggest is that anyone posting pictures does the same.

 

Should there be any further problems with the pictures being posted or suggestions of legal action taken i am to call him back and he will put what he said in writing.

 

Hope this clears up the legal side of this debate.

 

 

Thanks for sorting Chris, lets hope one of our new members reads it!

 

He's talking to the wrong person about legal action, hope he has a big wallet!!

 

[Guest]

Sorry Numpty, but I think some of these so called, "Know All, Know Nothings" need to be "wised" up to the devastation/destruction that re-introduced BOP are causing on Nature's balance and our hobby. I live in a rural part of Norfolk where little, or no new housing development has taken part for many many years. What has become apparent is an abundant population of BOP in the past 4 years, and an ever decreasing population of songbirds. If the songbird habitat has been removed in the development areas, the birds don't just die, they move out to more rural areas, so where are they??? The answer is simple........ Fallen foul to BOP.

[SakerSam]

Mickb, in a local paper recently a fancier sent in this letter stating that in Wales some 7500 rings were found at 32 nest sites!

 

http://www.theargus.co.uk/yourargus/letters/argusletters/4373018.Winged_threat_of_the_falcon/

 

If this is true, and it may very well be but you also have to think just how long the nests have been there! If they've been there for 10 years, that equates to 23.4 pigeons per year..................................................

 

Now I'm not expecting you guys to accept this figure even though it is how it would be calculated. To put it in your terms and against  Percy, IF this was over the last 12 months that then equates to 234 pigeons per nest. If that was the case, Peregrines would be the size of Golden Eagles. Sorry guys but that is common sense. Also on that basis there would be so many Peregrines and I mean so meany that they would naturally seek out different prey to sustain this ferrocious appetite.

I don't want to see our 2 sports collide and go head long and I also know of plenty of racers that get shot. I've seen pictures of a bootful of wood pigeon with a dozen or more racers seperated..............................

[goshawk]

You will get an awful lot of replies from genuine people who have first hand accounts of peregrine strikes on their birds. You asked pigeon fanciers to be open, honest and NOT to exagerate. I hope you are open honest and accept these accounts from pigeon fanciers and accept the decimation these BOP are causing to our hobby.

I have witnessed 2 attacks/kills on my birds in the past 2 months. FACT NOT FANTASY

 

i have witnessed a perergrine nest and i have seen a few rings ill admit. more than i thought id find. but then again i was drown to the ring and missed loads of other leggs thatw here in the area. i watched these peres and they do have a tendancy to catch pigeons, manly feral with the odd woody and a few wader birds as there is a resvoir near by. but it did get me thinking. is it because your pigeons bunch up when comming bacj into roost when they get targeted?

although i dont agree with loads of views i dont think its not happening. the worst thing to hapen in my view is ppl going out ruining nest for there own sake if all the birds are hunting is pigeon.

 

[Guest]

Holy cow, thats a lot, especially when they reckon a female will clear the nest regular (so i am told). Its not the parents that consume so many its the feeding young. The Derby project recorded around 12 feeds a day last year, that does not include mum and dads snacks that will be taken away from the nest. These birds are not stupid, They will take the easiest, most abundant prey available to them, which in some areas is racing pigeon. I don't know if it ever been done but i'd like to see a map with predator nests (real numbers not RSPB bull), and racing pigeon densities of lofts and race routes. I'm sure we would see a pattern emerge!