eyesign real or fake

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ray,

 

My first examination of the eyes, is to put them under a bright light without my loupe and observe their contraction of the pupil. If one has not got a reactive pupil I discard it, but one must be aware that anti biotic, or illness, even thirst can cause dilation of the pupils, we must be careful on this point. There is nearly always a perception of variation between the left and the right eye because of body organs and even brain functions not being positioned central in the system, more evident with humans than with pigeons.

 

I have found that the closer to perfection the quality of the eyes are, this can be seen to bring with it near central tail feathers and a good throat. I also mention in my new book about to go to print about this, for I believe that a bird that moves its eyes without moving its head is orientating itself. Rapid eye orientation is another plus I believe.

 

I think you and I are on a similar wave length in our perceptions, and may I add I never use natural sunlight in eye selection, I use a 12 volt 50 watt cool light, which gives the same light refraction no matter what part of the day or night. In so doing one does not get the variables of a bright sunny day or the position of the sun as it arks across the sky.

 

Yes this is my first observation before I ever put my magnifier into operation.

 

Thanks for your post,

 

Jack Barkel

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Slugmonkey,

 

The book is titled..... "The Modern Guide To Eye-Sign & Breeding". We are hoping to go to print here in South Africa within two weeks.

When I receive them, 100 copies will be sent to Charlie Klipsch of The Barkel Breeding Station, St Louis, USA. See below......................

 

Any and all prepaid orders for the U.S. and Canada can be made by personal cheque to me or major credit cards, M.C. Visa Discover, American Express by calling me direct 1-314-842-7867 or mail to:

Charlie Klipsch

9811 Sappington Dr.

Sunset Hills, Mo. 63128

Please be sure to include your mailing address and phone #.

 

Thanks

Charlie Klipsch

cwkfak@yahoo.com

www.barkel-usa.com

 

I hope this helps as I see you are not far from him. By the way I gave a seminar in Kansas City, I do not know if you were there at the time.

 

Regards

 

Jack

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Hyacinth,

 

Yes I rember when you and I stood on the spot where Custer is said to have stood,

there is an air of serenity about that spot, which you and I were able to share together.

 

One of many good memories in your company.

 

Jack

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Hyacinth,

 

I have downloaded and listened to your discussion on Pigeon Radio. Let me congratulate both you and Steve on a great recording with some excellent advice. Thank for the recognition on the program.

Best of luck and success for the coming season.

 

Jack

[Guest]

Thankyou very much Jack

 

Actually this was the second interview, the first one about 5 weeks ago I spoke on The Help a Beginner Programme and Steve about his starter loft design.

 

We have been asked to come back in the future.  

 

We start old bird racing on April 15th so keep your fingers crossed for us.

 

Thinking back to our trip to The Little Big Horn, I don't think the tour guide was pleased with me for asking the question why was Custer always referred to as General when he was only a Brevitt Major <VBG>

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

No Mr Barkel I was not in Kansas City but you probably met some friends of mine namly Dr John Mouse, Brian Kyle, they reside in that neck of the woods

[Guest]

Slugmonkey ad others, Jack and his wife Margaret have gone away for the weekend and any questions or queries posted to Jack will be answered on Monday morning when they get back home

[robert.sutherland]

I WAS LED TO BELEVE THAT BRIAN MAY WORKED AT RAMPTON HOSPITAL AND A PART OR IS JOB WAS TO READ PEOPLES EYES  IV HEARD THAT HE GOS AROUND TO DIFFARENT CLUBS GIVING TALKS ON EYES AND IS PARTY PEICE WAS TO GET A BLOKE OUT OF THE AUDIANCE AND TELL EVERY BODY WHAT HE/SHE IS LIKE SO HOW CAN HE DO THAT IF THERE S NOTHING IN IT I HOPE IV NOT TOLD LIES I MAY BE WRONG IT S JUST WHAT IV BEEN TOLD                                                                                                     YOURS IN SPORT                                                         BOB

[Guest slugmonkey]

This Brian is in sales diffrent guy

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Robert & Slugmonkey,

 

I seemed to have missed a thread about Brian, I can't find your previous reference to him, but may I state categorically it is possible to give a character reading and physical/ health reading on humans from looking into the eyes.

 

Years ago when English men were pure bred it was possible to find many eyes which iridologists call The Silk which we refer to in pigeons as "My Choice *****". Today it is very rare in humans but gaining ground in racing pigeons. There is a reason for this, just as there is a reason today that one can often tell if the father of the child is the true progenitor. It was always very difficult to tell when the majority of English people were recessive, but today there are as many dominant as recessive in the English race. I mention the English race only because of my studies of them through history, and being one myself, plus I am a recessive by the way.

 

It is a well known fact that biologists and scientists, together with medical people are altering some parts of the DNA in young couples about to be married, to eliminate their offspring of producing diabetes, epilepsy, and other unwanted hereditary diseases. This is all being done by studies and understanding of the eye. No longer will a scientist stick their neck out and call it fake. Only in the pigeon world where I admit we do have many fakes professing to understand the eye, will you have intelligent people questioning the authenticity of being able to read the eye.

 

May I suggest to all budding eye sign enthusiasts to purchase Dorothy Halls book " IRIDOLOGY" first published in Great Britain in 1994 by Judy Piatkus (Publishers) Ltd of 5 Windmill Street, London. WIP 1HF

 

To anyone taking the trouble to read this book together with it's eye charts, it will increase your knowledge of eye sign one thousand fold.

 

Leave the doubting Thomas's out of it, and extend your researches into the hidden mysteries of nature and science.

 

I have written two books the first of which has a full chapter with pictures devoted to eye sign, it is called, "The Hidden Mysteries Of Nature And Science".

 

The second book is going to print today and is called, " The Modern Guide To Eye-Sign And Breeding". This book leaves one in no doubt how to progress in the science.

 

I hope this will help everyone on this forum that is interested in the subject.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Jack

 

jackbarkel@mweb.co.za

 

http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/jackbarkel

[Guest ben]

Hello Mr Barkel,

                       As we all know,eyesign always appears to be a disruptive influence on most discussions,in the fancy press,and on the excellent pigeon websites we are fortunate to be able to partake in the last few years.

  I`m not sure if you see yourself as a eyesign"expert" or just are portraid as such by followers of your theories you seem to promote.

    As most members who log on to pigeonbasics know what a affable,easy going chap i am,never trying to upset the ongoing friendly atmosphere usually present.

    So to save any ill felling,or vindictive future posts on here,a answer to 1 simple question ie--Is it correct you were supposed to have learnt you basics on Eyesign from Mr S W E Bishop ?,just a simple YES or NO will tell me all i need to know ,and i will take leave of your goodself.

  

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ben,

 

Some of my pigeon basics-YES.

 

Jack

[Guest ben]

 

   Thanks for the quick reply jack

[Guest slugmonkey]

I am not trying to discern the heritage of /or friends or aquaintences I merely wish to fly tougher and increase my percentages of winning I don't wish to exalt or condemn Mr. Barkel but to merly form an educated opinion of his practices and teachings I thought perhaps he ( Mr. Barkel ) had met some friends of mine in the Kansas City Missouri area these are guys who race pigeons, not headliners on the pigeon lecture circut I am sorry for any confusion this may have caused.

  I would like to state that I am not on some " Witch Hunt " to either prove or disprove his statements but am sincerly interested in his professions.  furthermore I will diligently defend his position as stated in this forum against challenges from users who would jump in and take out of context any statments that he may have penned, we have a good opportunity here to learn something, what you decide to do with this is your decision I am NOT saying if he is right or wrong I merely wish to know his opinion on this subject and I will form my OWN opinion as to what of this information is right or wrong to my particular situation I belive that certain parts of this testament are scientifically founded and factual as I cannot belive that Mr. Barkel ( hereafter referred to as Jack ) has spent most of his life studying this subject without learning a few hard facts that would help me to fly and breed better although I am not ready to dismiss all my personal beliefs and follow meekly into the fold for the sake of the system of the week I may wish to adopt some of these ideas and incorporate them into my own keep.

  In closing I would like to say that I have seen many personal attacks on this forum and I hope they stop but please do not condemn this man for answering questions that we have asked !!! if you disagree with his findings I am sure that he would welcome an honest examination of the information but just because you belive diffrent or he says something contrary to what you wanted to hear dosen't make him wrong. ( this dosen't make you wrong either )  but please show the respect that he is due, a lot of people pay a lot of money to hear Jack speak and handle their birds he is granting us his attention and I feel we should make the most of it, there is a LOT of quackery out there and for all I know this may be the top of the heap but at least let the man say what he thinks without the fear of repurcussion or ridicule from prejudiced opinions or outright ignorance.

[bewted]

i for one would like to learn more of eyesign from MR BARKEL,if anyone not able to discuss a subject of a sort,with out name calling or insulting remarks,,,,SHOULD REFRAIN from this posting,let those who are willing/interested to learn,LEARN,,,,if not,then keep silent,please,,,,ted

[Guest]

AMEN Ted and Slugmonkey.

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Slugmonkey and All,

 

I thank you for your letter of support showing the open mindedness that should be forthcoming from all of us. As for your reference to friends from Kansas City MO, I had forgotten Kansas and Kansas City were two vastly different territories. I remember now that the place in Kansas City was called Benton, my host and organiser was a man named Jim Ruffini, he organised a couple of seminars while I was there. I did visit there two years in succession, the second time Jim drove me on to Oklahoma City for more seminars, and I then took a plane to Sacramento and lectured all up the West Coast to the Canadian Border. We then flew on to England where my seminars were advertised in "The Racing Pigeon". The Geordies and the Mackems are a tough and discerning bunch where pigeons are concerned, and if you do not have a complete grasp of your subject they may choose to wipe you out.

It is a testing ground that will prove whether a person is any good or not. Needless to say I survived successfully showing my capabilities to survive all that was thrown at me. I found my reception to be an enjoyable one wherever I went, but you will always get the guy who stands up to try and show the audience he is more knowledgeable than the speaker.

 

I am not bothered anymore about those who chose to be uncomplimentary towards me, I have met some obnoxious characters both in my travels and on the internet, but these are outweighed by the many thousands that would rather dissect what one has to convey and select from it that which they feel might be of use to them.

 

Having said this I will answer all questions on pigeons to the best of my ability and not only on eye-sign. Personal questions of a friendly nature I will also answer, and those seemingly issued as a challenge I may choose to ignore. I certainly will not get involved with people who may think or try to start world war three because of any subject on pigeons as one fancier wrote to me in his welcome message, however I will not let this silence me on the eye sign subject. Those who have read my book know that eye-sign is not the limits of my knowledge on racing pigeons.

 

May be I can also learn on this forum, and make some new friends, and in return give a little back out of my experiences over the years.

 

My father Sid Barkel senior ( I also have a brother Sid and a nephew Sid still flying there,)  was also a member of the Up North Combine, and he gave me my first pigeons in 1940. I also learned a lot from visits to George Slade of Penn who developed the Swing Clear Strain and Dr Tom Rigg of Parbold Lancashire who line bred Barker and Gits and crossed them over for racing, he tutored me on these skills by the way.

 

I have a wealth of advice to share from such great fanciers as these including S.W.E. Bishop, advice that may be known to many on the list, but which may not be known by other members of this forum.

 

I am here to help and not to polish my own marble. Please do not be afraid to ask, I can handle very politely those who try to make it uncomfortable.

 

Kind Regards to All,

 

Jack

 

[bewted]

hi mr barkel,can your books be gotten in UK,if so,can you give me info where to purchase plz,,,,,,,,you mention bill carney,dr rigg,etc,,,brings back memories,,thanks mr barker,i have a lot to catch up on,since re entry into the sport from 18-20+ yrs yrs ago,                 i look forward to your articles,             ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

There is a fancier coming to see me from the midlands in or about October, he has the first book and is coming to collect the latest one.

To send payment from England costs as much in bank charges as it does to purchase the book. Many take the risk and send me English currency through the post, however if you can wait until later this year, I am sure I can persuade this English visitor to take a couple of books back with him.

 

You can e-mail me privately about book purchases.

 

Yes Dr Riggs reputation with the Barker and Gits was phenomenal, and his knowledge both practical and theoretical breeding pigeons and cattle was amazing. Brother Sid and myself had many great wins and UNC positions, with the Barker Gits crosses. The Dr Rigg Barkers also bred Silver Dunn or dilute check cocks that flew extraordinary well, I hope to have one of these sent over from my brother soon.

 

Bill Carney came much later, but I honestly believe he had a lot more to offer to the fancy than he ever gave, another man on par with him was the Belgium Pete de Weird. These two men could have changed the whole concept of reading the eye, if the fanciers on a whole had been more willing to allow them to convey their methods without being pulled to pieces by abrasive attacks.

 

Bill Carney had a Blue Pied Cock with a beautiful violet eye, it's ring number was,  NU 63 R 10493, he never raced him but put him straight to stock. He was in 63 eye sign shows and won 63 first prizes. He also sired 51 x 1st prize winners through to Angouleme. I had a deep respect for the man and his birds in those days.

 

In my opinion these were two of the later genuine eye sign people, although old today,and I must say I lost touch with them a decade ago, I feel they had something to offer to the fancy on the subject.

 

I still have to learn how to post photo's on this forum before I attempt to post articles, you see I am not as comfortable with a computer as I am with pigeons. Shall we say, I am an old dog learning new tricks.

 

Best Regards,

 

Jack

 

jackbarkel@mweb.co.za

 

[bewted]

mr barkel,,,,how do you judge or acces a bull eyed pigeon as compaired to other coloured eyes,,,i allways had trouble trying to read this ttype of eye in past racing days,any pointers in what i look for?  thanks    ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

Please refer to me as Jack, I am not used to getting my full title.

 

It is not possible to judge the eye accurately when it is bull, however if you hold the pigeons beak with thumb and forefinger and turn it so you are looking at it face to face, it is possible to read all the sphincter muscles. This will give you a good indication of the quality of the eye, but unfortunately you can never be sure which colour it is, if it is fully bull eyed.

 

Considering this fact I would always pair it to a yellow eyed pigeon, this way I am sure that I will not degenerate the eye by pairing two pearl eyes together. It may be two yellows together from such a pairing which will increase the stamina but decrease the speed of the bird, this would be the worst scenario, while still you have a 50/50 chance it could be a pearl and a yellow together which will give speed and  vitality of the pearl and intelligence and stamina of the yellow.

 

This is the method I use and the reason for doing so. I hope this helps.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

[bewted]

ok,jack it is,but,i was allways told to mind my manners and respect my elders,,,,,,,,,anyway,i was never told that way,,,,,,,so,for eg;if i have say 20 pigeons that are all bull eyed,it would be a hit and miss affair to match pearl with yellow  eye?    the reason i ask is; i have 2 prs of white logaa ns,only one of them,cock bird,carries a pearl,as i only want whites and to make sure of breeding by your eyesign method,i must bring in a coloured pigeon with yellow and breed back for good eye pigeon,does this make sense?

[snowy]

HI JACK,

1st of all i would love to learn the eye sign & i think it would be a good idea to sell your book on disc, so we can purchase it over the internet.

my question is :  IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR STRAIN OF RACER THAT YOU HAVE COME ACROSS AGAIN & AGAIN THAT SEEMS TO HAVE A BETTER EYE THAN OTHERS?

thanks.

gerard.

(p.s. please sign my guestbook)

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

Yes I believe it will always be a hit and miss affair with two bull eyes, although if you pair your pearl eyed cock to a hen with lots of white such as a gay pied or grizzle and line breed down to the cock only selecting his daughters with yellow eyes, in three to four generations there is no trace of that first yellow eyed hen you introduced. This is referred to as perfect line of descent.

 

Another good guess is to see which are producing Long distance plodders and you will know that invariably they are yellow underneath. Likewise those pairs that are breeding fast short distance pigeons are invariably pearl eyed pigeons. These facts are only when constantly pairing pearls together for generation to generation or yellows together for generation to generation.

 

No one can guarantee however that you have got this right although strict selection with concise records of each birds performance history will make your guess a calculated one.

 

I hope I have not confused the issue of what you are trying to achieve. It is a pity we did not live closer I am sure I could have helped you try and achieve  your aspirations.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Gerard,

 

There are not many strains that have been kept intact in their purity throughout the years. I refer to this as genetic drift. However in most strains you will find a profusion of good eyes when the breeding is practiced to maintain that strain to perfect line of descent.

 

Certain Busschaert families have phenomenal eye sign in England, much better than the Belgium Busschaerts, and this can be accredited to how some British fanciers really put Busschaerts on the map. The Irishmen, and the Brits have shown a remarkable ability breeding horses, greyhounds and pigeons. I have found their flair for practical genetics to be outstanding. However the most consistent eyes I have found in all my travels are those of the Jan Aarden strain.

 

Gerard if I sell my book on disc, it will be copied by the majority of fanciers giving me a lot of work for very little return. Unfortunately in this day and age there is very little ethics when it comes to copying other peoples work. I produced a video on eye sign several years ago, and I found whole pigeon clubs buying one and re taping it for all their members. I have found illegal copies all over the world among fanciers who would regard themselves as honest people. Therefore to go to the trouble of putting my life's work on CD or video is no longer an alternative.

 

I do have it on disc for referencing and I am busy with a CD that will explain all the questions I have received and may receive regarding my two books.

This will not be placed on the market until I have recovered all my outlay on my last book. It has cost me thousands as I have published it myself, so excerpts can be used on CD etc without infringing any copyright claim of any publisher that I might have engaged.

 

My video is no longer available and my books other than in America where I have a breeding station, are only available from myself, although a pigeon magazine in Australia has shown interest to market my books.

 

Regards

 

Jack