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jack,re pearl eye;;;;; i have from memory of pearl eyes,some look nearly white,some look silver,all differant types of white through to grey/silver,,,,,which in your opinion is the most valuable?

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thanks hiacynth my dreamlover,,xxxxxx

[Jack Barkel]

jack,re pearl eye;;;;; i have from memory of pearl eyes,some look nearly white,some look silver,all differant types of white through to grey/silver,,,,,which in your opinion is the most valuable?

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Ted,

 

All of them, if the sphincter muscles are evenly balanced can be as good as each other, however the brighter or shall we say depth of hue will be a good indication of the birds vitality. Of course the greatest of these, or shall we say the most highly regarded is the violet.

 

We also have many colour enhancements in the yellow, the rarest of which and most highly regarded is the green.

 

There are only two base colours, and they are Yellow and Pearl, any variation on these are colour enhancements of these two base colours.

 

We also have an eye that is neither Yellow or Pearl. This eye, my followers and I refer to as "The Catalyst Eye, for it is a split gene showing a yellow correlation and a Pearl Iris. It's adaptation and fifth circle is neither violet or green but an unmistakable blue. I named it the Catalyst eye because when one pairs this eye to a pearl it breeds violets and when we pair it to a yellow it produces greens. Chapter 6 in my latest book is titled "The Catalyst Eye" and is devoted to my discovery and and the work I have done on it, reproducing it and testing it.

 

 

Ted, I sent you a private e-mail attachment in Microsoft Word of how I photograph the eye, please let me know if you have received it.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

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jack,i got your email thanks,but,your microsoft window is not compatible to my tv internet,so am unable to read it,i did send a reply to your email,,,,,never mind,i will wait for book,thanks fr trying anyway,  regards    ted

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jack,forgot to ask,what sort of eyesign glass do you use and/or reccomend ?

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

I use a loupe with a 15X magnification, anything larger than this distorts the eye and one cannot see all sphincter muscles at the same time, therefore a 10X mag is better to use for examining a pigeons eye than a 20X mag. The 15X loupe is the largest magnification one can use to give a true reading.

 

I have mine glued into my spectacle frame so as to have both hands free when looking at each bird.

 

Jack

 

[bewted]

jack,first time i have heard of the blue eye,interesting to see a photo of that for comparison,,,,where,if you know,would be the best place to obtain said eyeglass?  regards ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

I have tried to post an example of the three different types of base colour eyes, I hope they attach correctly, as I don't seem to be able to preview them.

 

I would purchase my loupe from a jeweller otherwise you might get a cheap plastic type lenze from a pigeon outlet.

 

Regards

 

Jack

[bewted]

hi jack,all pics came up clear and in detail,,,,,please can you explain in more detail,if possble,on the best part of the eye to look for the blue,  thank you    ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted,

 

The pupil which is the black in the middle is Circle No 1

 

The circle just outside this is the Adaptation  Circle No 2. This circle if you look closely from 8:00 to 3:00 0-clock has a bluish hue and from 3:00 to 8:00 0 clock is covered over by a black composite this shows the % super imposed.

 

The circle just outside this is the correlation and has a pale yellowish hue. Circle No 3. This is the base circle that extends from the outer edge of the pupil to the outer perimeter of the eye. The adaptation and Iris are man made according to our pairings and are placed on top of the correlation, leaving it only viewable as a third circle.

 

The next circle is the Iris and is a deep reddish hue. Circle No 4. In this case it tends more to the colour of the pearl than the bright orange of the yellow eye.

 

Finally the outer circle is called the fifth or breeding circle No 5. This to be a good example should be the same colour and thickness as the circle of adaptation, and in this case has got that same bluish hue.

 

I hope this helps, as it is how I would explain the catalyst eye I placed on the forum. Some computers bring out the colours better than others.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

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jack,looking at my pearl eyed cock bird,with naked eye,no 2 circle is a complete circle of pearl and thin colour of same on outer no 5 circle,any good?

[Jack Barkel]

Ted,

Without me seeing it it would be difficult to say, but if the No 2 and No 5 are the same colour and thickness, without me being able to scrutinise for faults, I would say it should be good for the stock loft. This matching of the second and fifth circle is only about 15% of the qualities we are looking for, but is an essential part.

 

There are many bad faults in the eye as well as good criteria, the genetic imprint on the eye will reveal both good and bad qualities, and we must have the skill to match it with a bird carrying a compatable eye..

 

Jack

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ok jack,gives me a bit to work on,hopefully see if i can see it properly,in due course,with spy glass,will let you know asap,,,ted thanks

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jack,if no  2 cirle was full circle black,what would this mean?

[Jack Barkel]

jack,if no  2 circle was full circle black,what would this mean?

 

Hello Ted,

 

The black is the composite and is the racing sign, most triple fed winners have 100% composite superimposed although I believe the happy medium to be 30 to 40% composite. When pairing birds together it is best to keep the addition of the sire & dams composite below 100%.

That means that you would have to pair it with a clear of opposite colour. The yellow eye that I put up with the Catalyst eye is a yellow clear, that is to say no composite whatever on the adaptation.

 

If the addition of the composite of both parents exceeds 100% you will produce pigeons that will race but be little or no good for the stock loft.

 

If you have very little composite the parents will breed mainly stock birds with little flying prowess. It is more involved than this, but this is the basics in finding compatibility between a sire and dam, along with having two opposite coloured eyes.

Two yellow eyes are often permissible, but two pearl eyes will soon degenerate your stock to fast blow home pigeons with little homing ability.

 

People because of a lack of understanding of these revelations pair birds to breed purely stock pigeons or purely racers. When through more good luck than good management they produce a racer / breeder, they try to impress the world that they are in control, and can do this regularly. Without the knowledge, of which this is only a portion that I have space and time to impart to you on this forum, you can not expect to repeat the process with regularity.

 

Remember there is now a book full of this knowledge that cannot be laid down in short paragraphs in a couple of weeks. I have not come across anyone that has a full grasp or  full working knowledge of what I have tried and tested over the last 50 years or so. Although some of my followers are getting more capable of doing it themselves. I certainly have not seen or heard of my revelations in all my travels as being regular practice with anyone, other than these protégés of mine. As I am going on seventy and having lectured for several years evaluating and pairing many top lofts, which shall remain nameless unless they volunteer the information as Hyacinth has done on this forum, I have decided to publish all my knowledge on the subject in book form, revealing a complete working knowledge of my evaluation, pairing and breeding methods.

 

I firmly believe that whoever possesses this book, and take the time to practice what I have to say, will greatly improve their selection and breeding capabilities.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

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thanks jack,i for one await your books,i have nothing to lose,but,hell of a lot of knowledge to digest and put into practise,with your books,i can do nothing but gain a friend and mentor and strive for better pigeons of quality,thanks again,much appreciated.  regards  ted

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good morning jack,i have looked on your website,as regards reading eyesign,the changing of colours on the eye, to show you where to look was,to me,first class and brilliantly put together,  ted

[Jack Barkel]

Thanks for the compliment.

 

Jack

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hi jack,question;a fancier has a loft of pearl,bull eyed whites and no yellows he knows of,he said they fly as distance birds,going by eye sign theory,would they be distance birds? i am puzzled!!!!   ted

[Jack Barkel]

HelloTed,

 

If he can tell that his bull eyed whites are pearl underneath without crossing them with yellow eyed birds, I think he is a better eye sign person than any of us. An amazing statement??????

 

If they were all pearl underneath they would recess to their original state and would end up more to fancy pigeons than racing pigeons.

 

Do not be puzzled by such statements, for long distance pigeons no matter the eye colour must carry the gene of a yellow eye in it's ancestry.

 

Eye sign theory says they must carry the yellow gene not to deteriorate to a short distance pigeon.

 

Just look at the percentages of yellows to pearls that have achieved the long distance classics. Most of your losses at the extreme distance invariably turn up to be the pearl eyes. An example of this are the rapido white Busschaerts developed in England.

 

Regards

 

Jack

[bewted]

thanks jack,my puzzle sorted,will not go into this fanciers remarks on distance,do not or will not argue on this,but,valuable info from you jack,thanks,much appreciated,,,,ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted & Craig,

 

Here is a collage of some of the "Barkel's Lemons", they can be seen to be nearly white, only they have faded bars or cheques, and all have a band in the tail. They are unique in having this band in the tail for it proves them to be dilute of Blue and not of ash red. They are all distance pigeons, small to medium in build, and the only strain from South Africa to have it's own genetic reference.  

 

Being recessive, two paired together will only breed Lemons, I have blue cheques in the strain that also breed Lemons and blue cheques.

 

You will notice that the Lemon positioned bottom right has the Catalyst eye, while most are a normal mix of yellow and pearl eyes, with a few Violets and greens thrown in.

 

I hope this is of interest to some viewers.

 

Regards

 

Jack

 

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good morning jack,when are you sending those violet/green eyed lemons over to me to give me a good start,go well with white?  hahaha(IF ONLY)  seriously jack,lovely pigeons,anyone reading this,i recommend eye sign enthusiast to go to his website as its brilliantly put together,i for one would rocomend it 101% good browsing eye fancier,,,,,,ted

[Jack Barkel]

Hello Ted and All,

 

We stopped exporting pigeons more than two years ago, too much red tape here in South Africa, and some other receiving countries.

We opened the Barkel breeding station in St Louis-America, because most of our exports went to that country. However there was more than 160 Lemons exported to the Arab countries before we decided it was no longer worth the trouble.

 

I only put them up for people to view them on this forum because they are different to any other strain or colour in the world. People insisted that I should be able to create a strain that could be recognised as exclusive to myself that no one else could produce unless they purchased from myself the originator.

 

This was the greatest challenge I ever faced from fanciers that tried to criticise or pick holes in the limits  of my capabilities, fortunately these unique birds are winning and producing winners in South Africa, America, and The United Arab Emirates. I am content that my two Breeding stations are now only breeding for ourselves and the SA & USA market. I myself have never raced pigeons since 1997, as too much of my time is taken up breeding, evaluating and pairing compatible pigeons for others.

 

I still miss the competition when each racing season comes around, but receive a lot of joy in what I am achieving, for I feel it carries a lot more skill and less luck, with no winds and rain to interfere with my success or failure.

 

I am now busy producing another distinguishable strain that will do the distance, using the Chocolate Meulemans for colour, which I selected personally at the Louella Lofts, and light blue van Bruaenes that have no modifiers in their colour, to increase the intelligence and stamina.

 

One can receive a lot of joy and fulfilment in designing ones own type of pigeon from the material we have available to us. These results will remain for all to see for generations, whereas our race records no matter how exciting at the time soon fade into obscurity.

 

Regards

 

Jack