need a little help

[pigeon peter]

Hi all i wondered if someone could give me a little help please i paired my birds up after the normal treatments ie worms canker etc they all laid  in about 6 day  sat well then when the young hatched within a day or two they  died  the chicks looked ok and the old birds look like oil paintings what do you think is wrong ?  pete

[sammy]

could be red mite sucked all the blood out them ,how many died

[pigeon peter]

8 have died and i keep the loft very clean i soaked the felts in the bowls in durimitex before hand and they have tobbaco stalks  do you think it enough ?

[sammy]

8 have died and i keep the loft very clean i soaked the felts in the bowls in durimitex before hand and they have tobbaco stalks  do you think it enough ?

 

with that amount its something serious and would have the old birds tested for salmanella and e coli best to contact a vet lad asap

[pigeon peter]

ok chap will do thanks  and i will let you no

[retired]

I had a similar situation around 8-9 years ago and it was red mite and it was not easy to get rid of them, i killed every young bird in the nest that had not died.

 

To resolve  i removed old birds into basket burnt the loft out thoroughly and then used disinfectant just to be safe after this had been done but before i put the birds back in the loft i dipped each into duramytex and touch wood never had anything similar since

[Guest cloudview]

would ,nt   think  red mite    were about  this time of   year

[Guest cloudview]

sounds  to me  as  they   are  being disturbed  ,  probably  at night  time  ,young  dying  of  cold  ,  could  be vermin mice  most likely

[oldguy]

Many moons ago i had the same problem when i bred budgies, then another oldtimer gave me a tip, dont use water from new pipe work, the copper residue will kill the youngsters.....it wasnt something i had thought of as the supply of water came from pipes over ten years old but when i started to boil the water the youngsters survived

 

could this be the reason for the problems

 

kev

[Lennut Tar]

8 have died and i keep the loft very clean i soaked the felts in the bowls in durimitex before hand and they have tobbaco stalks  do you think it enough ?

 

Maybe I'm wrong ????? (Not unusal)  ;D ;D ;D. But I think you poisoned them all. In non scientific terms etc, eggs need to breath while in the nests one could say, & all that durimitex in the nest felts etc killed the lot, before they had a chance to hatch, in my view.

Enjoy

 

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

A guy in our club killed 20+ young birds with nest felt get rid of them and use paper bowls  and pine needles ( pine is bad on bugs )

[MsPigeon]

I would be worried too Pete...

Have you used the durimitex soaked nest felts before? I've never used durimitex myself, but I would suspect that maybe it's just too much for the babies. Do the dead babys have food in their crops? Or do they have poopy butts? Do you use lights in the loft at night? If it were the mites they would be bothering your breeders too. I think I would sneak out and check them at night to see if the breeders are covering the squabs or if they are fidgeting around possibly disturbed by mites. Do you see signs of mice?

Hope you get to the bottom of it

Carol  

[superstar]

Hi all i wondered if someone could give me a little help please i paired my birds up after the normal treatments ie worms canker etc they all laid  in about 6 day  sat well then when the young hatched within a day or two they  died  the chicks looked ok and the old birds look like oil paintings what do you think is wrong ?  pete

 

Its a virus, sometimes it will just kill the one YB in the nest but mostly both, you need to spray your loft out with disinfectant VirconS is the best. Once the babies get to 4 days old they will live through it and be fine in most cases so dont go mad and kill them all yourself. I know several people who are very good pigeon men who have suffered this so get to work cleaning and disinfecting all surfaces of your loft, walls, ceiling the whole lot and you will find your nasty little problem will be a thing of the past. Never known it to strike the same loft twice so fingers crossed you wont be the first that happens to. Let me know how you get on I'm sure what ive said will sort it for you. Mark.

[THE FIFER]

could it not be the cold, if parents are off for too long, very cold just now

[Guest IB]

Sounds a real mystery. Looking at the time of year I would suspect cold weather could be driving the parent off the nest. Have only experienced it once (no deaths) during a really cold February, hoar frost every day, feathered youngsters 10 days old, left uncovered from early evening - one nest pair in particular every wing feather was fret-marked, but no deaths.

 

The duramitex also worries me, there is a very strong smell off that stuff at the best of times, if you can smell something, then its a gas. You could say the youngsters are sat bang in the middle of a poisonous gas cloud? If I remember correctly, label says not to be used on the birds? Maybe on the nest felt is as near as on the bird as you can get?

[superstar]

Its nothing to do with the cold its a VIRUS trust me on that will you

[matt]

Sounds a real mystery. Looking at the time of year I would suspect cold weather could be driving the parent off the nest. Have only experienced it once (no deaths) during a really cold February, hoar frost every day, feathered youngsters 10 days old, left uncovered from early evening - one nest pair in particular every wing feather was fret-marked, but no deaths.

 

The duramitex also worries me, there is a very strong smell off that stuff at the best of times, if you can smell something, then its a gas. You could say the youngsters are sat bang in the middle of a poisonous gas cloud? If I remember correctly, label says not to be used on the birds? Maybe on the nest felt is as near as on the bird as you can get?

 

i would say the same thing duramitex on the felts would be leathel breathing in that all day not good i can not even stand it on my fingers must do some damage to the respiretory system.

[billy wilson]

i used felts sprayed with duramitex in the nest pans of my canaries never had a chick die,what youve got to look at is what strength did you mix at i put one capful to a spray bottle which held about a litre.but i used to soak the felts with the spray and let them dry out,you may have had the mix to strong,only my opinion.

                                billy

[doo]

correct me if I'm wrong but is duramitex not being taken off the market.

[Guest slugmonkey]

Try some alternate nest materials and see if the other nests give better results

[jimmy white]

Hi all i wondered if someone could give me a little help please i paired my birds up after the normal treatments ie worms canker etc they all laid  in about 6 day  sat well then when the young hatched within a day or two they  died  the chicks looked ok and the old birds look like oil paintings what do you think is wrong ?  pete

 

theres a very small chance you could have paratyphoid [salmonellosis[ carriers in the loft ,, maybe better get them tested [im certainly not saying it is, but this can effect the unborn and recently born chick] really just to rule this out  

[Guest karl adams]

in my nest bowls i put a mix of kiln dryed sand saw dust and mite powder and let them build on top with straw and ive had no problems

[DUBLINFLYER]

Hi all i wondered if someone could give me a little help please i paired my birds up after the normal treatments ie worms canker etc they all laid  in about 6 day  sat well then when the young hatched within a day or two they  died  the chicks looked ok and the old birds look like oil paintings what do you think is wrong ?  pete

 

just wondering if you used black nest felts? i believe that there is alot of young birds dying in the nest around 2 -4 days old. if you are get rid of them. ps sorry for ur misfortune :'(

[Merlin]

I haav eread that certain type of nest felts are alleged to be responsibile for these deaths, in day and two day old youngsters this season especially,black nest felts I think with other nest felts brown ones fine,sometimes in same lofts,you might check this out more thoroughly if you are using black nest felts .