White Pigeons Eye Colour

[bewted]

here we go again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[harky]

here we go again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

no a dont think so

[harky]

Hi all,

I was looking at some nearly all white grizzles on the net and they have a normal pigeon type eye, but white logans seem to have a solid eye colour rather than the black/orange outer colour, just wondering if this means anything or is it just a trait of the breed?

 

BEWTED read this post

[bewted]

 

BEWTED read this post

 

i did !!!  and i just asked about a green eye and then you quoted me  ?????

[harky]

 

i did !!!  and i just asked about a green eye and then you quoted me  ?????

 

did a  ;D ;D ;D well sorry my mistake :) :)

[chucka]

 

what makes you think its a green eye,,,just asking ?

cause its the colour green

 

[Peckedhen]

Just been to check and my Logans all have bull eyes. No feathers on their legs though! :-/

[pjc]

they must get up early and shave them then Sue  ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Freebird]

I beleive there is a colour under the bull eye ( hidden if you like ).

[pigeonman007]

Just checked mine, they do have some feather on their legs, but I wouldnt say anymore so than my normal pigeons.  If you catch the eye in direct sunlight as I have this morning, the ctr is a slightly different shade, but barely noticeable.

[blackswan]

my old faintail cock has a pearl eye with a full black circle

[Peckedhen]

they must get up early and shave them then Sue  ;D ;D ;D

 

LOL ;D ;D  I think they pluck them Phil - feathers all over the loft floor!

 

 

[Guest Freebird]

Here's a quote from this website I thought was very interesting. http://www.angelfire.com/oh/raraavis/genetics.html#autosomal

 

WHITE: White is a complicated subject for the simple reason that a white pigeon may be the result of several genetic factors. For example, homozygous grizzle causes a blue pigeon to be stork-marked (white body with some coloring on the flights and tail feathers), but a homozygous grizzle ash red is almost pure white, with perhaps a few very light red feathers visible upon close inspection. Such whites can usually be distinguished from other genetic combinations because they will have orange eyes rather than the "bull" eyes of many whites.

 

Other whites are the result of one or more of the genes that cause a bird to be pied, and the particulars of some of these genes have not yet been worked out. Examples would be the saddle, whiteside, baldhead, Lahore, and other patterns.

 

It has been established, however, that many whites are the result of a specific gene for "recessive white". Such a gene has been identified in the various "homer" breeds: Racing Homers, American Giant Homers, German Beauty Homers, Dragoons, etc. Recessive white is believed by some to be at the same locus as the gene for the gazzi pattern, which has been shown to be a simple recessive, and recessive white is epistatic (see "epistasis" below) to all other colors and patterns, a possible exception being recessive red. (I am unaware of any research concerning the combination of those two genes.) The action of recessive white is identical to that of recessive red in that if a pair of recessive whites are mated together, all young are recessive white. If a recessive white is mated to a self-colored bird that does not carry the recessive white gene, all young are colored. If two colored birds carrying the recessive white gene are mated, the offspsring exhibit the classic 1:2:1 Mendelian ratio, which is: 1 white, 2 colored birds carrying white, and 1 colored bird that does not carry white. Most, if not all, recessive whites have dark or "bull" eyes.Back to top of page

 

[bluey]

Bull eyes are pieds or whites, other coloured eyes, including pearl/violet etc are grizzle.

[bewted]

bluey,,,,how come then that i have pure whites that have yellow and pearl eyes and they breed pure white too !!!

[bewted]

pigeon on the right that has a yellow/red eye and breeds red/yellow eyes and the odd bull eye !!!

 

my best pure white stock cock has a pearl eye and breeds pearl and yellow eyes and bull eyes,,,,sorry no pic of pearl eyed cock bird !!

[bluey]

because they are grizzle pattern, not pied/white based colouring.

[bluey]

because they are grizzle pattern, not pied/white based colouring.

[bewted]

so,if there grizzle pattern,,,,why do they breed pure whites and not grizzles ?

[Guest slugmonkey]

I belive " true " whites have bull eyes I have read on here some where that the genitic makeup causes bull eyes in true white birds although one of the best show guys in the U.S. shows whites with yellow eyes he has won a LOT of shows with these birds ( Mark Thrasher) he has also won several big shows with some of our birds ( NOT WHITE )

As far as the original question I have several Koopman based birds that show green in the eye as well as some that show violet they have a very distinct look and stand out in the loft especially the green ones

[Guest slugmonkey]

Pearl eye will not breed yellows unless paired to yellow eye

 

P.S. who is Louis Koopman I have heard of Cornelius and Gerard

[bluey]

A grizzle pattern colour can be any colour, including white.

 

From memory the Old Hand books explain the ins and outs of feather and eye colour re grizzles and whites.

[Guest beautyhomer]

so,if there grizzle pattern,,,,why do they breed pure whites and not grizzles ?

 

They are most probably homozygos ash red grizzles ie they are pure ash reds with two grizzle genes so when paired together they will breed true.To prove this you would have to pair one to a blue cock.If I am right you will get some blue series hens.

[Guest asha]

Old hand`s notes on griz/white was wrote over50 years ago,and was not correct,probable because the only way you can find out what factors the bird/s carry will be by trail mating and inspecting a complete series of young over a given time period.

  Whites with bull eyes tell you they have receisive white,or pied trait,but can still throw coloured eyes,if they carry griz as well. :-/