pigeonpete Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 Hi all, looking for tips and advise please, i am looking to send 2/3 3 year olds to the tarbes NFC race next year, (698 MILES TO ME) And i feel preperation must start soon for this race, for these birds, now the main candidate has won for me well 4 times, upto 387 miles, and i want to get him to this race, was going to this year but bottled out. he is a 2007 bird, i know 387 mile is a big difference to 698, And to be honest the thought scares the life out of me ;D. The bird is a busschaert/delbar. any advise on feeding etc etc?? I know to some of you this is childs play, but i feel if i properly prepair for this, then there is know reason why he wont come. Not bothered about winning, but just to see him drop from 700 miles will be a great feeling im sure. Thanks in advance.
pigeonpete Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Posted October 20, 2009 no 1 got any tips for me, come on im having a bad day!! :-/
Geraint Parry Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 We dont race out to that far pete, but i'm sure there are lots on here that do, and have been successful at it. come on people, share some of your knowledge with this man!
Fair Play Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 A lot will still be at work and not all have access to a computer during "Working Hours" I am sure the advice will come after they get home and login either that they are all off on holiday ;D ;D
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 Hi all, looking for tips and advise please, i am looking to send 2/3 3 year olds to the tarbes NFC race next year, (698 MILES TO ME) And i feel preperation must start soon for this race, for these birds, now the main candidate has won for me well 4 times, upto 387 miles, and i want to get him to this race, was going to this year but bottled out. he is a 2007 bird, i know 387 mile is a big difference to 698, And to be honest the thought scares the life out of me ;D. The bird is a busschaert/delbar. any advise on feeding etc etc?? I know to some of you this is childs play, but i feel if i properly prepair for this, then there is know reason why he wont come. Not bothered about winning, but just to see him drop from 700 miles will be a great feeling im sure. Thanks in advance. The only thing you have to worry just now is that they have a healthy moult and at no time are given a shortage of protein, this to make sure that the last flight is fully grown to its full potential, after this the feed can be weakened down with depurative for a couple of months before pairing. Are all your 2/3 year olds that you have planned for 700 miles the strain of busschaert/delbar, if so my own opinion is that this will be too far for them and perhaps you might be better at looking at another race up to 550 miles. Wish you well and admire your ambition to be racing from 700 miles. cheers Gareth
pjc Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 As Gareth say's just let the moult finish, let the birds rest and then think about how you are planning to race them. Natural, Roundabout or Widowhood? If Natural find out the dates of the target races, decide how you want to send the birds, sitting, feeding etc so that you can work out when they need to be paired to be in the right condition. Also are you planning a series of preperation races prior to the big one or just training from the coast etc?
pigeonpete Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Posted October 20, 2009 The only thing you have to worry just now is that they have a healthy moult and at no time are given a shortage of protein, this to make sure that the last flight is fully grown to its full potential, after this the feed can be weakened down with depurative for a couple of months before pairing. Are all your 2/3 year olds that you have planned for 700 miles the strain of busschaert/delbar, if so my own opinion is that this will be too far for them and perhaps you might be better at looking at another race up to 550 miles. Wish you well and admire your ambition to be racing from 700 miles. cheers Gareth to far for them do you think mate? Thanks for the protein advise the other 2, one is a jannsen, the other a kirkpatrick. Was hoping to give them a try though :-)
pigeonpete Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Posted October 20, 2009 As Gareth say's just let the moult finish, let the birds rest and then think about how you are planning to race them. Natural, Roundabout or Widowhood? If Natural find out the dates of the target races, decide how you want to send the birds, sitting, feeding etc so that you can work out when they need to be paired to be in the right condition. Also are you planning a series of preperation races prior to the big one or just training from the coast etc? Well im deffo,having them on widowhood for start of season, and will maybe re-pair for this race if needed, is widowhood a no no on natural? was planning on starting racing them in the club in may time, is every week to much in preperation? without any basket training after racing starts? was planning on sending them to 1 or 2 other nfc races aswell? cheers for input so far :-)
pjc Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 personaly i would have a seperate team/loft kept on natural for 700m. I would also give more attention to the hens rather than the cocks, race them in a few club races for training the NFC for channel experience in preperation.
pigeonpete Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Posted October 20, 2009 personaly i would have a seperate team/loft kept on natural for 700m. I would also give more attention to the hens rather than the cocks, race them in a few club races for training the NFC for channel experience in preperation. Havent got the time mate to keep seperate, and just wanted to do it with these 3 for now, never done much with the hens, so would be less confident with the hens :-) it is my aim in the future to go into it in a bigger way, but yes agree, a sprint loft and distance loft would be ideal ;-)
pjc Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 JMO but i think widowhood cocks will get overwound in the basket for 3or 4 days before lib where as natural hens will be calmer and more relaxed.
thunderboult Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 hi pete, first of all i'd like to wish you good luck, cause you'll need that. 700 mls is a big diffrence to 400, he may do it, he may not not, there's only one way to find out. myself i think he may struggle unless there's a helping wind. i'd go for out and out distance breeding for these types of races. but were you live is not far off the drag so he'll have company all the way probaly. i would breed off him before the season but only one youngster,and fly him on w/hood or roundabout. if your going to give tosses give him single up tosses. feed him on the floor with other birds so he's more calmer. i don't start my birds for the longer races until about 4/5 races in, jumpped into 200/250 mls then again the week after if all is well at around 300/350 the longer races are only a couple of weeks away now so just training until the big race.
Fair Play Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 No way would I profess to be an expert in long distance racing although I have flown and timed in from across the channel but I believe you can feed and train birds to fly any distance it's all about good management, remember when Red Rum went to his first National people said too small well the rest is history same with Lamtarra never raced yet won the Derby on his first run Usain Bolt reckoned to big for the 100 meters he has proved that if you set a course, set out your own standards and go for it the proof was on here a few days ago "King Of Rome" Go for it you will never know until you try
TonyW Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 Hi Pete hope you are well it might be worth getting hold of a copy of John Clements book Long Distance racing also although im not sure if only distance bloodlines will do 700 miles as just this year a SVR was clocked from 700 miles but if you are sending the blue c i bred you then his dam is kirkpatrick related to R Howeys After Time and his sire was a son of Digger twice Barcelona he was from J Biss and De Barcelona Van De Wegen blood good luck
alvagate Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 hi mate if you are sending birds with biss blood in them they will fly it no problem you just need the prep right which comes different to each bird treat each one as a individal good luck
Guest kev d Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 ive been trying to clock a good one from the tarbes race for a good few years now tried twice and not got a feather and i only fly 575 so flying 700 miles is totaly different to me , ive tried many different nesting conditions and prep races and spent many a hour getting them ready for the big one but up to now rubbish , but i will keep trying till i clock a day bird talk to albear about it , cheers kev
pigeonpete Posted October 21, 2009 Author Report Posted October 21, 2009 cheers for the replies, and tonyw, yes im o.k mate, and yes your blue cock was 1 i had in mind mate, was going to ask you if you thought he would do it, but he is only 2? any further input? a svr cock timed from 700 miles?? wow there is hope yet then :-)
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