long distance and short distance flyer

[mobster]

how can you determine if a pigeon is a long distance flyer or short distance flyer, as a young bird? is it by just looking at it? or by means of its pedigree.

 

thanks

 

gary

[snowy]

at the breeding history of sire/dam & grandsire/granddam etc

but still can prove to be better at one than the other

[ribble]

as a yongster no.as an old bird yes.....

[schouwman71]

an old fancier once told me the longer cast the pigeon is the better it will be at the distance,the the heavy built ones with a short back wing will be the sprinter,i found this to be quit true,dont know what others think though.

[Diamond dave]

Gary,

I agree wth the schouwman - The sprinters are all "up front" and shaped like a wedge, with a lot of their muscalature in the shoulders.

Distance birds do tend to be longer in the body - Though not always bigger, many distance birds are somewhat smaller by comparison.

I'm sure you'll notice the difference when you handle one of each.

I also think that a distance pigeon can win a sprint race - particularly on a hard day, and I also think a sprint/middle pigeon can win a distance race if he has the wind up his backside.

But then you have the real diiiiiiiiistance birds which are a different "animal" altogether. The difference in these type pigeons is there mentality and unfortunately none of us can actually see that except in the written pedigree.

What do you prefer m8 - distance or sprint?

[Diamond dave]

Oh and Gary,

It's much nicer talkin to you now I know what you look like!!!!!!

[mobster]

thanks all for the info youve shared...

 

diamond dove :

 

maybe i prefer distance than sprint.

[Guest]

Gary

The Closer the Humorous bone is to the body, the greater the distance the bird will fly

[Guest]

its all in the feeding

[mobster]

its all in the feeding

 

how come its all in the feeding?

 

[pigeonjock]

GEZ IS RIGHT,THE ART OF FEEDING COMES INTO THE EQUATION WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO FLY THE DISTANCE.IT ISN'T ALL FEED THOUGH BECAUSE AS MY OLD MAN HAS ALWAYS SAID"IF I WAS ON A SPECIALISED DIET FOR A YEAR AND TRAINING ON A SPECIFIC TRAINING PLAN,I STILL COULDNT BEAT SEB COE IF HE HAD BEEN EATING  FISH AND CHIPS ALL YEAR AND NOT TRAINING."YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY IN THE FIRST PLACE THE FEED AND TRAINING ARE SECONDARY BUT ALSO A MAJOR FACTOR IN FLYING ANY DISTANCE.

[Guest]

yeah i understand that, i always look at pigeons and compare them to athletes but feeding is 85% of the solution. also if you have a pigeon that is winning from say 200 miles then send him 400 miles he will never win from the short races again.

[Guest slugmonkey]

I think we discount our birds ability too much I have started racing my yearlings from 600 every year the first year I was told I was an idiot well last year I had respectable results and this year expect to do better I dont look at peds I put them in the crate and down the road they go I have won sprints with distance birds and have several that have won at 1-3 hundred and turned around and won the 500 with same bird I think you have to have good birds but give them a chance put them in the basket and let them fly

[jimmy white]

the main thing is for the distance is fuel in the tank for the journey, and breeding

[Guest slugmonkey]

I think a lot of birds have the breeding and are never put to the test if you look at peds I don't have the blood to go 5 - 6 hundred but I have the diplomas to say diffrent look at what Boerkman ?? has been doing with Marsallis birds they are awesome sprinters and borkeman has been going the distance with the same blood I think Jimmy is right about fueling the tank though and I belive that is a lot of the problem

[zetlandlad999]

You have got to set birds up for distance racing, feeding, motivation and fitness all play there part, a mate of mine won 1st UNC bourges a couple of years ago with a Van Reet, a supposed sprint strain.

Some birds will do distance some wont.

[jimmy white]

I FORGOT TO ADD TO MY LAST POST,,MANAGEMENT, I,E SETTING THEM UP FOR THE RACE IN QUESTION