drug testing

[Guest]

what are your thoughts on drug testing in racing pigeons in horse racing and dog racing they are carryed out all the time what about pigeon racing

[Guest]

May have picked up procedure wrong, but understand bird is removed from the race basket BEFORE the race, blood sample taken and sent off for testing. Because of the procedure, the bird is then automatically withdrawn from the race.

 

The test result comes back a few weeks after the race.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I AM ALL IN FAVOUR OF RANDOM DRUG TESTING NO MATTER WHEN OR WHAT TIME I KNOW THIS COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS BUT IF YOU GOT NOTHING TO HIDE THEN WHATS THE PROBLEM.

[Guest]

BRUNO

I THINK THAT'S TO SEE IF THE BIRD AS BEEN VACCINATED FOR P,M.V  

[westburylofts]

 

LONG TIME OVER DUE IF YOU ASK ME.

 

THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE ON ALL FED/COMBINE/NATIONAL WINNERS

AFTER THE RACE.

 

HAVE TO SAY I DO NOT AGREE WITH BIRDS BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE CRATE'S

TO BE TESTED THEN WITH DRAWN FROM THE RACE, I KNOW THAT IF THEY HAVE      

GIVEN A BLOOD SAMPLE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT RACE,

BUT WHAT IF YOU HAVE HIGH HOPES FOR A BIRD AND HAVE POOLED IT RIGHT

THROUGH  ONLY FOR IT TO BE SELECTED FOR A DRUG TEST.

BIRDS THAT COULD HAVE WON THE RACE COULD BE WITHDRAWN FOR A BLOOD

TEST.    IT COULD HAPPEN.

 

THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE AFTER THE RACE   THEY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO STILL

DETECT ANY DRUG'S.

 

RAY

[Guest]

WESTBURYLOFTS

THAY DO NOT TAKE BIRDS OUT BEFOR THE RACE FOR DRUG TESTING BUT AFTER THE RACE. YOU ARE YOU ARE THIKING ABOUT P-M-V VACCINATE BEFOR GOING INTO FRANCE  

[Silverdale Lofts]

When the national sections ring in to verify there birds always thought the rpra pick lofts out who either win the sections or the national to drug test no pigeon is taken out of baskets before races.

[Chatrace]

It should be done the day of shipping random 1 for each loft and the the 1st 4 place after the race. Before would let the drugs show better,3 or 4 days in the baskets and most could be worn off after a long race

[westburylofts]

 

I was also under the impression that they removed birds from a crate on the transporter to do the drug's test and that is why i replied the was i did.

 

sorry if i got it wrong

 

RAY

[Silverdale Lofts]

At a cost of the drug kit £2 and £130 to test the bird they are not going to start taking birds out of a transporter if you look at the names whose pigeons have been drug tested daykin and cooper and mitchell top performers in the nationals i might add non have been found positive.

[carl]

We always here of people being tested and nothing found in the birds BUT we never get to here about the people that have used something illegal and have been caught.I think they should be named and shamed.

 

So are certain antibiotics illegal or is it more of stuff like steroids etc.

I think people should only be tested when they are cleaning up week in week out.

[Guest]

Tried to double-check the RPRA drug testing arrangement, but I seem to have binned the BHW complementary copy of RPRA rule book. There's a whole section devoted to drug testing in it, including the procedure. Can't recall seeing illegal substances being named. Maybe members could check their own copy?

 

Surprised to find no provision for drug testing in SHU rule book ... procedure illegal here?  ....................... Honest Scots, Wha's Like Us  ;D

 

Humble opinion (1) : reckon bit of a minefield. Check-out the sales blurb 'can't win without ABC', 'enhance your birds performance with blogs supersludge', 'feed XYZ and add ypm to your birds'. Non of these performance enhancing products usually tell you whats in them... so how do you know your not using a banned substance?  

 

Humble opinion (2) : Load a nonsense. Not exactly £millions of prize / pool money at stake. And don't believe you need to dope birds to win, or that winning birds are doped.

 

 

 

 

[Guest speckled]

:-/ Well just to let ya no, 2 yrs ago my loft was in winning form,    i got "Drug" tested    as did one othet member in the fed,this was due to the amount of prize money that was up for grabs   .But i never even new that the fed where even comming around to do the test,    but that turned up the next morning to test the pigeon,what thay done was to first verifiy that the winning bird, belonged to me & then thay took dropping samples from the loft,not just from the winning pigeons,box but also random dropping on the floor.Thay sealed it i signed the paper work,with confidence knowing that mine where clear of any drugs as the health shop is my chemist when it comes to the birds ;D I did ask why i was picked to be tested,as this has never been done before, even though the prize money was bigger in previous years.Even the classiic & national ect not to my knowledge drug test, but to cut a long story short, i found out that my own club sec was the won asked the fed to do the random test,as i won all the young bird races that year plus mosy of the old bird races topped the fed 3 times & won the gold ring money. As for the Result it was   "Negitive" but  funny how thay  have  not tested any more birds in the last 2 yrs for the same race. Speckled

[westburylofts]

 

Have asked R.P.R.A  While at Blackpool Show  if they could inlighten everyone

on what are the Banned Drugs in Pigeon Racing.

Guess what the reply was,  

Have not got a clue.  We asked if they would be able to let us know by putting a list

in the Pigeon books, or if we gave them our address they could send us a list.

an to date we have herd nothing,  so how can we check the things we use are not performance enhancing drug's.

 

RAY

[Guest]

Thanks to:

Heathcote for pointing out I had confused PMV and Drugs procedures;

Rose for pointing me towards on-line copy of RPRA Rules............................    

 

Extract:

 

APPENDIX ‘G’ (SEE RULE 199) PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS/SUBSTANCES

 

1. These Rules are drawn up by the Council of the Royal Pigeon Racing Association under the powers granted by virtue of Rule 199.

 

2. The use in pigeons of the following are strictly forbidden:

 

ANABOLIC STEROIDS, BETAAGONISTS, CORTICO STEROIDS, ANTI-INFLAMMATORY NONSTEROIDS, OPIATES, ANALGESICS, PERFORMANCE ENHANCING STIMULANTS, SYNTHETIC HORMONES, ANY DRUG FOUND TO BE PERFORMANCE ENHANCING PLUS ANY SUBSTANCE WHICH MAY BE USED IN AN ATTEMPT TO MASK THE ABOVE.

 

When products of which the composition is not specified are administered, we advise fanciers to ask for an attestation from their pharmacist or vet stating that the product does not contain forbidden substances.

 

3a. In order to detect the above banned substances, the R.P.R.A. is authorised to take immediate steps, namely for taking of samples of pigeon droppings before, during or after the race, from the lofts or pigeons of its members.

 

 

Think I was right about the minefield though, according to the wording in italics      ;D

 

 

[jimmy white]

the only rule in the shu rule book that can cover that, is rule 5 of the race rules.

"the committee appointed shall meet after each race is flown at a place and time appointed to satisfy themselves that everything is in order"

[Guest slugmonkey]

I was under the impression that birds were held for the longer races ( 3-5 days ) I would hope that any substance would have already passed through in this amount of time

[jimmy white]

cannot get my head round this one, what are things comming to, i should have thought that any drugs would have worn off by the time they are liberated

off course if your winning youll be giving them drugs??

[PC]

Not all drugs would have worn off.  The birds could be pumped with steriods among other things aswas/is rife in the body building circles the main point is the test should be totaly random not just after the race or these cheats will just get another chemical to dose the bird with on return to flush the first out of its system just as the cheats in the body building circles did.

It could be facilitated that some individual basket containers are on the transporters with paper 2 collect droppings for testing in the bottom & a random selection of birds put into these on the over night jouney to the lib point but of course this will mean we all pay more for our raceing

[speedbird]

what sort of drugs you talking about

[Guest shadow]

Not all drugs would have worn off.  The birds could be pumped with steriods among other things aswas/is rife in the body building circles the main point is the test should be totaly random not just after the race or these cheats will just get another chemical to dose the bird with on return to flush the first out of its system just as the cheats in the body building circles did.

It could be facilitated that some individual basket containers are on the transporters with paper 2 collect droppings for testing in the bottom & a random selection of birds put into these on the over night jouney to the lib point but of course this will mean we all pay more for our raceing

How are they going to tell which bird the droppings came from.

 

 

[speedbird]

good idea though i think will made people think before giving there birds drugs as you never know which basket is gonna be tested & if the results show they have been use of drugs i suppose they can then imform the club then do there own test at club level & by only testing 1 basket by only testing one basket in the whole transporter keeps the cost down for all clubs in that fed

[Tony C]

In my opinion drug testing should be carried out much more than it is at the moment. I can see 3 good reasons for this.

 

1) Catch the cheats

 

2) A deterrent

 

3) A negative result will stop the finger pointing at those Fanciers tested who are winning out of turn.

[THE FIFER]

THE ONLY WAY IS TO TEST THE WINNERS, AS WHY TAKE BLOOD FROM A BIRD BEFORE IT RACES, U COULD BE WEAKENING IT, NO I SAY CHECK BIRDS ON WINNING, IT'S THE ONLY FAIR WAY.

[Guest ben]

You lot got the wrong ideal,what`s wrong with experimenting with certain drugs?,as long as the people who are trying out a new ideal aren`t trying to screw other pigeon fanciers  ,i can`t see a problem,if it benifits the birds good on those lads trying it,you lot probably said the same crap,when penicillin came out just in time for the 2nd war,look at the good that did,same as coci,worming drugsect...you`ll be saying next you don`t agree with ets...how backward !

    fanciers been useing herbs since racing began as a medical tool...so what`s the problem!