Racing clocks

[expat1]

Hello Veteran

So you have seen the ETS clocks in action in England in Racing mode. then that will be a first as it has not been passed to be used at the present time in Competition in England not for 2006 anyway and most likely not until 2008.

I personally have used the ETS in Competition for two years, and there are many in the club and Federation and Nationals who do not use it but no complaints at all from them,

It is people who cannot see progess which holds the sport back. I for one am not bothered who uses the ETS so long as i have a choice and so it should be

If my neighbour wants it and i do not then let him have it thats the way it should be. As for being able to afford it does not apply There are too many things in life where some can have what they want and most of us cannot so that question does not arise regarding the ETS.

but having used it most certainly it is a less stressful period for the pigeons homing and better for the fancier, You can say what you want against it but it will come and i wonder how long it will be before you yourself buys one According to the things you and others against it say it would be interesting to see what happens in the anti ETS brigade, but of course the fanciers who read what they say will never know unless they belong to the same club. You are of course entilted to your opinions but i for one will not get drawn into a for and against. I will tell the fanciers of what can or may happen as i have in my last post What i say is correct, take no notice and i think some will regret later

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[Roland]

 

  Yes things change, and not always for the better ... what was wrong with the Solar clocks?

Yes I saw them in England, when they were being tested by certain fanciers - selected - I was there, with oversees visitors.

Yes of course it will come... and at a great cost of members. Never mond all the great merits... it is what the grass rootes perceive to be true, and who's would be working come saturday ... have to take it away and replace every race day and car batteries etc. etc. So no one is- or ever has - held back progress...

Then again look at all the Wonders and progress, and the 1000's of hardships that have gone with it.

[gangster]

i agree with you expat1 unless a master system for clubs is compatable then as you say 1 member may have a different system therfore the problems start...yes i will now after reading your posting be asking everyone of the sale teams the question...will the master clock be compatable to all etys clocks .........................VERY GOOD POINT FROM YOU WELL DONE....................

[Chatrace]

All master time is set the same as in any club. How do you set the wind up clocks so they all are the same setting over the whole combine or Federation?  Some of you are grabbing at stars here. This is the new and modern world. We have atomic clocks that all read the same and are set from the same satellite so they all read the same, this is also the way we set our club units. Each club decides what unit they will use, if a flyer wants another kind of clock it is his job to supply the club unit and leave it at the club.  Each clock company  has a diffrent program for just there clocks.

[expat1]

Hi Roland

Yes you mention 1000,s of Hardships You are right and i know a little about it being born at the beginning of the last War when on the very first raid on London our House went with my mothers sister and a younger brother inside and a few months later her other two brothers killed in Action. Hard times like 1000;s of others

But do you know what, It made us and the People of England all the more Stronger in spite of it. Possibly you yourself may be old enough to have been in it

No Times Change ss with another thread i have anwered Pigeons 30 years ago Clocking devices are just that, nothing else. Firstly you hace to get the pigeon home

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[Roland]

Likewise we had two homes bombed, fortunately not direct, and were in basements. And underground. We were evacuated. And I don't think for a minute that that was better for us. Yes we did what you call survived, but can't see any benefit in all the upheaval. The local lads roughed it with us like most of the country. I have 5 Brothers and 3 sisters; yes always someone to play or fight with, it became a way of life. We knew no different. But I believe, like in pigeon management, that we would have been better of with two boys and one sister! - Obviously wouldn't change it for the world... but wouldn't have known any different if grown up just the three of us. Smaller families were better dresses. Better mannered. More direct in all approaches to life, more concise in an outward thinking ability.

We were bound by what was a reality of expectation... mostly that we wouldn't be able to - costs wouldn't allow it. Was I proud of my hand me downs! No, but fought tooth and nail to say I was, and it didn't matter. You know what, in reality it did.

It hurt didn't it! Wanting to have and be like the others. But we were and still are governed by the bred in old age doctrine of the 'Haves and Have nots'. That it was their right to... and ours to accept. Yes sure it has changed a lot, especially on the surface, but the reality hasn't much. Still the affluent speak as if any and everything is in easy grasp of everyone. The pseudo crap of every one being born equal, and if I can, then so can others. Just aren’t true and 1000 miles away from reality. The very fundamental basis of brain power, and upbringing sees to that. Those born with deficits, the parents lack of knowledge and understanding in instruction and purposeful rearing is of course very lacking by very many, through ignorance and conditioning when they were brought up. Yes mucker, the adage which aim at those not wanting change in T's with the detrimental comments that 'If it was ok for my father, and his fathers father ... does ring true in some aspects, because they know no difference. They have seen countless examples first hand where change has only helped or bolstered the more affluent. Sceptic! Sure, and with good reason.

We seen every day silly comments still aimed to fool by those that know better. Like wind doesn't make any difference to a good well motivated bird. But won't wager on their beliefs one penny!  

 

[expat1]

Hi Roland

You are Not alone in that respect.

I too come from a family of five brothers and five sisters, So i know excatly how hard my mother had things During the War my Father was in the RAF my mother was put on a train from Canning Town in London this train was told to drop her off at Newbury in Berkshire, at that time she had three childern walking behind her and carrying Me.  Date July 1940 i was born the month before

Now this great Lady was 4.11'' in height can you imagine how she felt at that time four young children left in a strange town No where to go to just dropped off on her own her husband in the forces and of no help, and that is the truth. She found somewhere to go she left here two young daughters at one place and my brother and me somewhere else with herself with other families

Our clothes she made out of RAF and Army Greatcoats  given to her, And that was it And i am proud of my old Mum you bet i am for she had an Iron 'Will' never to give in.

And i hope i have at least inherited that from her, and i think i have. For me defeat is not a word i take notice of never have'

So if my neighbour wants to use an ETS because he thinks he may have the edge on me by using one, well good luck to him But i will not make it easy for him. Meaning Look after yourself and what you have, anyone worrying what others may have or do is not concentrating on what they should be doing themselves so therefore defeat for them is inevitable

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[Roland]

Agree entirely with your post Expat1. Similar to mine. and of course a great many.

Some evacuee's were cared for, some hated, hence the 'Latch Street Kids' syndrome. Out 7 in morning, not allowed in before 7 at night. Bread a creul and washed, bed at 8 etc. We wasn't allowed to go school, and even had to literually fight as shops wouldn't serve us. Scared the locals would boycott them . The cooperative did, and the two faced gits still shopped thee because they wanted their dividends a shilling in the pound. Dad away overseas, mum huddles in a corner as they often bricked the windows ....

Anyway how much better could it have been ... I would change it, but know that you, me and 1000's of others, even in this day and age, if been different then of course the outcome would have been different. Same today, were earnt that grit in our make up. Like others respond, and react differently to their up bringing. But now amount of grit, or whatever, claws the majority out of the quadmire. The basic wage for a vast majority to day is £5 35p. or £215 LESS stoppages... 22% tax after £120, NHS AND CARDs etc. Take home pay for most of us is around the £160! or £8000. Now a morgage, 3 kids, etc. etc.

then the lads school fees for whatever, football club, gymnastics etc. a P.c. and designer clothes that all their mates seem to have. and no one, but no one can tell me that they are equael to those taking home £25000 - £30000 or more!  This is a reality, and most are too proud to say so. (London is a higher wage scale, but then so is the cost of living supposedly. I like the idea that the young hard working woman, - like our mums - that strive to make ends meet, being only to pleased for the ole man's hobby  taking a £1000 a year even! Cost of feed and training etc. and £20 a week I believe can soon be reached. so what is anothe £700 to find- with rings - nothing, I'm sure she will be only too pleased to take on another job to pay for it.

Heard tale that Xmas won't be paid for by the majority till after April... Then... So no it is pie in the sky for any new comers. ET won't make  any bird fly faster. AND great for Training purposes for those that can get up the road with the birds regular lol. But just the fact that there is a benefit for those able to have them, means all those that don't like to admit they can't afford them are losing out again! No wonder they are anti. Like I said in the original post... Give them 20 seconds a birds handicap, and get it passed... then don't bleat about being victimised and the other cobblers about others can if I can. Expat1 if you have used them, then you know that Trap Shy alone gains time for the ET every week. And ifon the longer races it don't - supposedly matter  much, then why not give it.

By the way, in answer to you post time before last  ET's are been allowed in England sine year dot... just not in racess, but for training purposes etc. nothing has stopped anyone from owning and using one.

[expat1]

Hi

Yes, times was hard during the war and for a long time after it. One product which has always stayed with me from those days was the dried Egg powder that is when you could get it or anything else. Our Mum could make a great Stew out of some bacon bones and a few scrapes. I have tried to equal it but never done it. Still we got through it and i for one am better for it i think. It taught us to stand on our own two feet at a young age. Finally When i retired from work the most take home pay i ever had a week for 48 hours was £98.0 but we bought a house and paid a morgage foer 20 years with the interest rate stating at 12.25% rising to 15.15% tough days no money for pubs, Never went into a pub until i was 26 years old and i did not like the taste, Other hobbies and  the pigeons took up all my time but i did what i wanted and lived how i wanted so i am lucky.

Now i love a Pint or three but not that often to get tired of it plus a dram of Brandy on the odd occasion.

I hope the RPRA see common sense and bring in Compatablitiy with the ETS otherwise it will cause unneccessary problems for the English style of Racing But we shall see. Of course Many have used it for Training purposes i do it every time. If there is only one at least you can see a pattern in the timing of certain pigeons early on which may benifit the fancier in the races in regards to a pigeon to pool. Having used a normal timer for 50 years it is great and more relaxing not to have to catch the pigeons right away plus i am not so mobile as i once was

In belgium the fanciers still have to time in on an ordinary clock like a T3 within 5 minutes of clocking in when competing in National and International Races but the tension is gone and the pigeons and owner are not so hyped up as they were 5 minutes earlier  well i suppose it is

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[Roland]

Very True again. At the turn of the last centuary, outside of the arstocracy there were only 8 millionaires in the whole of Enland. A live in Labourer's pay was £1 25p a YEAR! 25 bob ... if they took a florin (2/-) deposit at the hiring fare (In August usually) they never had to turn up and the florin not paid back ... if more then they had to turn up, or the money returned.

THEN 50 years on a terrace house could be brought for £50... wages £3 or so per week. Late 50's earlu 60's £20 per week for some and houses could be purchased for £200 10 weeks wages, but was hard to find... then quickly £1000 mark. Now in relationship £200 week wages and hosuse not 8 - 10 times a weeks wages but 10 to 15 years wages plus interest. Was also taught woth was inrelation to hourly rate and what it could / would buy. Tis still the only realistic way to judge inflation inflation. Sure the last 10 years have been brill compared to the 20 years or so before... But that hourly rate still applies.