Gaby Vanderbeele

[Guest j.bamling]

I have just seen on another website a 03 bred Grand/Child of  Den Wittenbuik

£700 reserve - What do you think warrents this high price for a 5 year old bird ?

Money seems to have gone crazy !!

[Guest Paulo]

Mad gabys are the instrain at the minute.

[Guest]

I have a g/child of De Wittenbuik that i am lending out to a mate in Ireland, and a G/child of De Kleinen, who is the Sire to Wittenbuik. If anyone wants to give me stupid money for these i'm listening! PMSL!  ;D

 

Its getting crazy with the prices, i actually only paid £50 each for mine! I can only assume that the bird seen has either bred some super pigeons or won something big which warrants his sale fee, mine hasn't been used as yet!

 

By the way, THEY AREN'T FOR SALE! I was joking!

 

[Guest]

I have a g/child of De Wittenbuik that i am lending out to a mate in Ireland, and a G/child of De Kleinen, who is the Sire to Wittenbuik. If anyone wants to give me stupid money for these i'm listening! PMSL!  ;D

 

Its getting crazy with the prices, i actually only paid £50 each for mine! I can only assume that the bird seen has either bred some super pigeons or won something big which warrants his sale fee, mine hasn't been used as yet!

 

By the way, THEY AREN'T FOR SALE! I was joking!

 

  i'll order a  free pair then ;D ;D ;D

 

 

[Guest Paulo]

I have a g/child of De Wittenbuik that i am lending out to a mate in Ireland, and a G/child of De Kleinen, who is the Sire to Wittenbuik. If anyone wants to give me stupid money for these i'm listening! PMSL!  ;D

 

Its getting crazy with the prices, i actually only paid £50 each for mine! I can only assume that the bird seen has either bred some super pigeons or won something big which warrants his sale fee, mine hasn't been used as yet!

 

By the way, THEY AREN'T FOR SALE! I was joking!

 

Give you some jelly beans?

 

lol the best birds aren't always the most expensive.

 

Got big hopes for my pair of gabys I brought them off stevebelbin from here they are direct mike lycetts bred me a bird that chaled in their first nest can't get much better than that only took 4 young uns off and they flew all the programme and still got 3 left all cocks as well

[Mixxy]

I have just seen on another website a 03 bred Grand/Child of  Den Wittenbuik

£700 reserve - What do you think warrents this high price for a 5 year old bird ?

Money seems to have gone crazy !!

 

 

All these birds are direct from Gaby Vandenabeele, which is obviously going to heighten the price. I saw  some on Pipa and were averaging 2300 euro each. As 4/5 year old birds they should be selling on what they have bred and not where they were bred!

[Mixxy]

I have a g/child of De Wittenbuik that i am lending out to a mate in Ireland, and a G/child of De Kleinen, who is the Sire to Wittenbuik. If anyone wants to give me stupid money for these i'm listening! PMSL!  ;D

 

Its getting crazy with the prices, i actually only paid £50 each for mine! I can only assume that the bird seen has either bred some super pigeons or won something big which warrants his sale fee, mine hasn't been used as yet!

 

By the way, THEY AREN'T FOR SALE! I was joking!

 

 

They bred anything for you Davey???

 

[Guest j.bamling]

 

 

All these birds are direct from Gaby Vandenabeele, which is obviously going to heighten the price. I saw  some on Pipa and were averaging 2300 euro each. As 4/5 year old birds they should be selling on what they have bred and not where they were bred!

 

I totally agree -- but surely a g/son of wittenbuik is a g/son of wittenbuik does not matter where it was bred ? I mean there are a lot of gabys winning in the UK but they are not winning know more than a lot of other strains ?

[Guest]

 

 

They bred anything for you Davey???

 

I bought the two Gaby pairs towards the back end of the breeding season last year. They were purchased far too late for my Darky team. I paired them up to get myself a couple of pairs of youngsters to train with my channel birds! I ended up getting a hen in one nest, and a cock and a hen in the other. A young lad had came to our lofts pleading for help with his pigeons, so we bred him some later youngsters. When he came, he picked out the young cock and hen, so i gave them to him, FOC! I'm as soft as sh*te at times  :B! He went away smiling with a basket of youngsters, i was left with one hen to show for my expenditure, but i don't think she stood the channel bird youngsters training, but to be fair to her it was late when she went in with them as they were all on the wing!

 

Had intended to try them this year, but once again, a close friend has requested help, so its more than likely they are going to be loaned out!  

 

I like them though, the other two was a g/dtr of James Bond, the National Winner, and a real bonny g/son of Jester and Carrie. They look the part, but i've yet to play with them!

[Guest]

 

I totally agree -- but surely a g/son of wittenbuik is a g/son of wittenbuik does not matter where it was bred ? I mean there are a lot of gabys winning in the UK but they are not winning know more than a lot of other strains ?

 

Aye, i would totally agree with that mate! FOR SALE, £1500 each, Gchild of De Kleinen, and G/child of Wittenbuik!! PMSL, I'M JOKING STILL, I'M ONLY JOKING!

 

Seriously though, I agree its the bloodline that counts! I suppose its a bit like the Belgian Ring theory from years ago, anything with a Belgian ring must be better than anything with an English ring! When we all know that isn't right! However, i suppose it does give the pedigree and bird more credability the fact that it is carrying the original mans ring. In today's world of doubt created by those dealers that are unscrupulous, i can understand the credability factor!

[Mixxy]

 

I totally agree -- but surely a g/son of wittenbuik is a g/son of wittenbuik does not matter where it was bred ? I mean there are a lot of gabys winning in the UK but they are not winning know more than a lot of other strains ?

 

No it should not matter, but its great to say that they have a "direct", even if it breeds nowt. My own experience of Wittenbuik lines is not good. In my eyes his reputation is built around a few birds, and what did he win 1 x 1st i believe???

 

Much better lines to be had, at a fraction of a cost and usually outside of his lofts. Although they sell well on Pipa, the prices are not extortionate as some families, maybe that tells you something???

 

[Guest]

 

  i'll order a  free pair then ;D ;D ;D

 

 

PMSL; If you want a pair next year Geordie, i will breed you them! Price to be negotiated!!!    ;D

 

I'm kidding, if u want youngsters from them next season mate, they are yours! Provided they come back from Ireland that is!  

[Guest j.bamling]

 

Aye, i would totally agree with that mate! FOR SALE, £1500 each, Gchild of De Kleinen, and G/child of Wittenbuik!! PMSL, I'M JOKING STILL, I'M ONLY JOKING!

 

Seriously though, I agree its the bloodline that counts! I suppose its a bit like the Belgian Ring theory from years ago, anything with a Belgian ring must be better than anything with an English ring! When we all know that isn't right! However, i suppose it does give the pedigree and bird more credability the fact that it is carrying the original mans ring. In today's world of doubt created by those dealers that are unscrupulous, i can understand the credability factor!

 

Yes and if you get it my dtr of blue diamond which is a g/child of Wittenbuik will be for sale  £1500 ;D LOL i paid a lot for her but not that much - Seriously though they are not worth that much at the end of the day they just breed winners just like all the rest it is not like they breed blue or green eggs or anything

 

[Guest]

 

PMSL; If you want a pair next year Geordie, i will breed you them! Price to be negotiated!!!    ;D

 

I'm kidding, if u want youngsters from them next season mate, they are yours! Provided they come back from Ireland that is!  

 

;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

No it should not matter, but its great to say that they have a "direct", even if it breeds nowt. My own experience of Wittenbuik lines is not good. In my eyes his reputation is built around a few birds, and what did he win 1 x 1st i believe???

Much better lines to be had, at a fraction of a cost and usually outside of his lofts. Although they sell well on Pipa, the prices are not extortionate as some families, maybe that tells you something???

 

Quoted from Falco Ebbens article on Gaby Vandenabeele.

 

‘Kleinen’ is the best breeder I ever had. He is amongst others sire to 'Picanol' (B82-3258240), best provincial acebird on middle distance 1983 and sire to 'Sissi', the number one breeding hen from Ad Schaerlaeckens. 'Fideel' (B83-3105147), a direct descendant to 'Kleinen' too, won 7 x 1st and 2nd Nat. Limoges. I was unlucky to loose this bird on Poiteirs. Another toppers is ‘Wittenbuik’ (B88-3206112), a direct son to ‘Kleinen’. He already listed three provincial victories and was beaten by a loftmate once. [/size]And he appeared to be a super breeder. Especially Koen Minderhoud has phenomenal birds from the 'Wittenbuik'-lines.

1981 brought me another miracle, because in that year my 'Bijter' won 1st provincial Orleans (a real classic over here) three weeks in a row. I used him as a breeder after that and he too developed as a true champion breeder. One of his daughters is dam to 'Wittenbuik'.'

 

In my opinion, its like with all family's, not all of them are great pigeons! You have to be lucky enough to get the right ones! Whether mine are? Well, only time will tell!   If they don't make the grade, i'll sell them to Geordie for £1500 each! PMSL! I'M JOKING! (IT WILL BE 2 GRAND EACH!) PMSL

 

[Mixxy]

Davey, Head up my a*se here this morning!!! Wittenbuik was actually credited with 12 x 1st, 3 as you say provincial. My confusion was with De Turbo, who although he was ace bird and then runner up he only won one, as did the Golden Gaby.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

 

 

In my opinion, its like with all family's, not all of them are great pigeons! You have to be lucky enough to get the right ones! Whether mine are? Well, only time will tell!   If they don't make the grade, i'll sell them to Geordie for £1500 each! PMSL! I'M JOKING! (IT WILL BE 2 GRAND EACH!) PMSL

 

              i better  get a job then :-/

[Guest]

Davey, Head up my a*se here this morning!!! Wittenbuik was actually credited with 12 x 1st, 3 as you say provincial. My confusion was with De Turbo, who although he was ace bird and then runner up he only won one, as did the Golden Gaby.

 

 

PMSL, Don't worry about it mate, i'm like that all the time! Apparently its the start of dementia! The Gaby's though, I just like the look of them, am going to cross them with me Rietvinks eventually, as that is what Galaxy indicated to do to the guy i got the Rietvinks from, thats the only reason i got the Vandenabeeles! They are really nice birds though! You seem a "switched on" bloke who knows what he's on about, hope we can talk again as i've enjoyed the crack!  

[Guest j.bamling]

Its suprising how well anything looks when it has got a few 1sts to its name

just look at SISSI he could not sell it because it was a bad looker & small

[Mixxy]

Its suprising how well anything looks when it has got a few 1sts to its name

just look at SISSI he could not sell it because it was a bad looker & small

 

Very true too, looks seem to be everything, especially at auctions. Winners are great but only if they breed winners. I've been to sales where the winners make top money, but then the parents go for a lot less, what would you want in you lofts, a trophy or birds that breed trophies???

 

I could show you hens that you would not give me tuppence for until i tell you what they have bred, and Vandenabeeles too!

 

 

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I saw the same stupid adverts my first thought was has Les Parkinson not realised how close to christmas it is, people are paying for fancy pedigree saying they have direct gabys in there loft.

 

I have a direct Gaby but it dont get no special treatment and certainly never cost anywhere near 500  and if it does not breed what i expect this year it will be destroyed.

 

[Roland]

 

I totally agree -- but surely a g/son of wittenbuik is a g/son of wittenbuik does not matter where it was bred ? I mean there are a lot of gabys winning in the UK but they are not winning know more than a lot of other strains ?

 

That is deffinately true ... indeed there is a big question mark as to just how much winning they do! Must be winning a few club races and a fed or two ... Nationals, well the juries still out on that. JMO

[mark]

the best way to bring pigeon prices down is keep your money in your pocket. no one forces you to buy them.

[Guest shadow]

must agree with mark on this if fanciers refused to pay the stupid prices then the cost would drop if the breeders wanted to stay in business, most of my best pigeons over the years were gifts from grateful fanciers when reporting their birds including having some bred for me in belgium for reporting a bird with a broken leg which i healed and the owner came to collect