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I currently have a nice Blue White-Flight Cock with a nice Mealy hen and they have eggs.

 

As I understand it, Red is dominant and as they are both "barred" rather than chequered, am I right to think I will get 2 mealys from this breeding?

 

Also how is white inherited, is it dominant or recessive?

 

 

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Yeh that's right, but is the alelle for lack of colour dominant or recessive, I'm trying to work out if I'l get Mealy white Flights or Mealy Pieds. Anyone done a similar breeding before? Anyone bred Blue to Mealy and did you get 2 mealys?

 

quite excited as this is my only stock pair.

 

Tariq.

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blue to mealy is sex linked all mealys will be cocks and all blues will be hens but as in everthing else pigeons there is not gurantee that you will breed all mealys  ;)

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I have mealy p c paired to blue h theyve bred mealy p h and blue c i also have blue c paired to mealy h theyve bred mealy c and blue hen a lot of the time ive found dtr to have fathers colour and son to have mothers colour but always exceptions to the rule

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I currently have a nice Blue White-Flight Cock with a nice Mealy hen and they have eggs.

 

As I understand it, Red is dominant and as they are both "barred" rather than chequered, am I right to think I will get 2 mealys from this breeding?

 

Also how is white inherited, is it dominant or recessive?

 

 

Your best bet would be to send a pm to Beautyhomer on here, he is the real expert on colour genetics and he will tell you all you need to know about colours.

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you will find that they will be  mealy cocks  and blue hens  and could be pied , also white is dominant

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you will find that they will be  mealy cocks  and blue hens  and could be pied , also white is dominant

 

You are right in theory,those of us who breed for colour though find the theories quite often wrong!!,suppose alot depends on what is way back colour wise on both sides :)

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young blue chasing yearling hen's about

 

If it was it etc  ;D ;D ;D it  throws all the theory at times, out the door in the future doesn't it  :P :P :P.

I have a good mate !!!!!! (Pom) he's into this sort of thing  :D :D :D "Big time" he waffles onto me on many occassions etc about it  ::) ::) ::) & I attempt to look intelligent etc, but truth be known "It's in one ear & out the other" so to speak. But good luck to those that can grasp it etc, but I'm just to old now I'm afraid  ;D ;D ;D.

Enjoy

 

 

 

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WHITE IS RECESSIVE !! NOT DOMINANT, IT IS A GENE CAUSED BY LACK OF COLOUR PIGMENT AND YOU WILL GET MEALY. BLUE, BLUE PIEDS AND MEALY PIEDS. THATS IT MATE ITS THAT SIMPLE. GENETICS IS A WONDERFUL THING BUT SURELY YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNTRATING ON HEREDITARY FACTORS WITH REPECT TO WINNING GENES NOT COLOUR.

 

REGARDS SPENCER

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Pairings - Youngsters

Cock x Hen = Cock - Hen youngsters

 

Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens

Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens

Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens

Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

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Thanks everyone,

 

PCJ that's an interesting list :)

 

Timbarra: Yes, definately more interested in them winning than their colour, was just curious as I think probably is natural for a first ever breeding :)

 

Regards

Tariq.

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Pairings - Youngsters

Cock x Hen = Cock - Hen youngsters

 

Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens

Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens

Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens

Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

 

A very good table, but there are a lot more tables about colours in the book Pigeons For Everyone by Douglas McClary, he goes in to it in great detail, an excellent book for anyone who wants to learn a lot more about colours, but a great book for a lot of pigeon information

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A very good table, but there are a lot more tables about colours in the book Pigeons For Everyone by Douglas McClary, he goes in to it in great detail, an excellent book for anyone who wants to learn a lot more about colours, but a great book for a lot of pigeon information

 

spot on tam,it includes the recessive/dilute colours also ,lavenders,mosiacs (opal),

yellow (cream),grizzle & silvers ( dun)....& as chrissy has said,depends on what colour genes are being carried & if 1,of pair normals is carrying dilute possible for y/bs to turn out dilute ....but as you say that book covers the lot & easy to understand ..........

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went to blackpool show last year  2 well known  trade stands  both got their facts wrong regarding colours and breeding  ,  don,t get me wrong im no expert but have had pigeons long enough to know what colourd you don,t get  first stand ,dark cheq ,sire  blue pied , dam  blue  second stand  red pied  ,out of two  dark cheq pieds  ,   neither of the owners were  interested when i pointed this out , iwent back later in the day ,both sold  buyer beware   also mate of mine bought amealy out of two blue,s  nomistake on pedigree on checing with original owner

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went to blackpool show last year  2 well known  trade stands  both got their facts wrong regarding colours and breeding  ,  don,t get me wrong im no expert but have had pigeons long enough to know what colourd you don,t get  first stand ,dark cheq ,sire  blue pied , dam  blue  second stand  red pied  ,out of two  dark cheq pieds  ,   neither of the owners were  interested when i pointed this out , iwent back later in the day ,both sold  buyer beware   also mate of mine bought amealy out of two blue,s  nomistake on pedigree on checing with original owner

 

Whilst I'm sure we all know by now that pedigrees can be falsified,[ basically they can say whatever the seller wants to put on them!] I also know from both  personal experience and from speaking to other show fanciers that these colour tables are a rough guide only!!,whilst they might be right most of the time they are by no means 100%. A friend of mine who breeds alot of silvers,creams,mosaics etc has found numerous discrepancies in the colour charts and he has been breeding for 40 years.

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I think unless your pairs are in seperate pens and the hens cant get tread by another cock or you get the DNA checked then you can never be sure of the parents of any pigeon thats maybe why we see the odd colours popping up now and again

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I think unless your pairs are in seperate pens and the hens cant get tread by another cock or you get the DNA checked then you can never be sure of the parents of any pigeon thats maybe why we see the odd colours popping up now and again

 

That's why mine are kept totally seperate until the eggs are laid,only way to be 100% sure :)

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That's why mine are kept totally seperate until the eggs are laid,only way to be 100% sure :)

 

aye cause i do not want any crosses ;)

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I think unless your pairs are in seperate pens and the hens cant get tread by another cock or you get the DNA checked then you can never be sure of the parents of any pigeon thats maybe why we see the odd colours popping up now and again

 

correct    but i know  one thing , that day two people were ripped of  , through a lack of basic  knowledge , what made it worse  the red pied  was supposed to be a ko  nipius , never in the memory of man

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