cokacola Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 I currently have a nice Blue White-Flight Cock with a nice Mealy hen and they have eggs. As I understand it, Red is dominant and as they are both "barred" rather than chequered, am I right to think I will get 2 mealys from this breeding? Also how is white inherited, is it dominant or recessive?
bewted Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 white is not a colour in the bird world as lack of colour pigment !!!
cokacola Posted February 26, 2008 Author Report Posted February 26, 2008 Yeh that's right, but is the alelle for lack of colour dominant or recessive, I'm trying to work out if I'l get Mealy white Flights or Mealy Pieds. Anyone done a similar breeding before? Anyone bred Blue to Mealy and did you get 2 mealys? quite excited as this is my only stock pair. Tariq.
sammy Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 blue to mealy is sex linked all mealys will be cocks and all blues will be hens but as in everthing else pigeons there is not gurantee that you will breed all mealys
Guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 I have mealy p c paired to blue h theyve bred mealy p h and blue c i also have blue c paired to mealy h theyve bred mealy c and blue hen a lot of the time ive found dtr to have fathers colour and son to have mothers colour but always exceptions to the rule
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 I currently have a nice Blue White-Flight Cock with a nice Mealy hen and they have eggs. As I understand it, Red is dominant and as they are both "barred" rather than chequered, am I right to think I will get 2 mealys from this breeding? Also how is white inherited, is it dominant or recessive? Your best bet would be to send a pm to Beautyhomer on here, he is the real expert on colour genetics and he will tell you all you need to know about colours.
thedooman Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 I put a red chequer hen to a blue cock and ended up with a blue white flight hen
cokacola Posted February 26, 2008 Author Report Posted February 26, 2008 Thanks guys, really helpful. Tariq.
carlsberg Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 got a blue cock paired to a red hen 1st nest 1 meally and 1 blue
Guest cloudview Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 you will find that they will be mealy cocks and blue hens and could be pied , also white is dominant
Guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Posted February 26, 2008 you will find that they will be mealy cocks and blue hens and could be pied , also white is dominant You are right in theory,those of us who breed for colour though find the theories quite often wrong!!,suppose alot depends on what is way back colour wise on both sides
carlsberg Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 got a blue cock paired to a red hen 1st nest 1 meally and 1 blue young blue chasing yearling hen's about
Lennut Tar Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 young blue chasing yearling hen's about If it was it etc ;D ;D ;D it throws all the theory at times, out the door in the future doesn't it :P . I have a good mate !!!!!! (Pom) he's into this sort of thing :D "Big time" he waffles onto me on many occassions etc about it : : : & I attempt to look intelligent etc, but truth be known "It's in one ear & out the other" so to speak. But good luck to those that can grasp it etc, but I'm just to old now I'm afraid ;D ;D ;D. Enjoy
timbarra Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 WHITE IS RECESSIVE !! NOT DOMINANT, IT IS A GENE CAUSED BY LACK OF COLOUR PIGMENT AND YOU WILL GET MEALY. BLUE, BLUE PIEDS AND MEALY PIEDS. THATS IT MATE ITS THAT SIMPLE. GENETICS IS A WONDERFUL THING BUT SURELY YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNTRATING ON HEREDITARY FACTORS WITH REPECT TO WINNING GENES NOT COLOUR. REGARDS SPENCER
pjc Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Pairings - Youngsters Cock x Hen = Cock - Hen youngsters Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens
cokacola Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Posted February 27, 2008 Thanks everyone, PCJ that's an interesting list Timbarra: Yes, definately more interested in them winning than their colour, was just curious as I think probably is natural for a first ever breeding Regards Tariq.
blackjack Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Silver was missed from the list that can come from virtually any mating if silver is carried on both sides.
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Posted February 27, 2008 Pairings - Youngsters Cock x Hen = Cock - Hen youngsters Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens A very good table, but there are a lot more tables about colours in the book Pigeons For Everyone by Douglas McClary, he goes in to it in great detail, an excellent book for anyone who wants to learn a lot more about colours, but a great book for a lot of pigeon information
Andkar Lofts Posted February 28, 2008 Report Posted February 28, 2008 A very good table, but there are a lot more tables about colours in the book Pigeons For Everyone by Douglas McClary, he goes in to it in great detail, an excellent book for anyone who wants to learn a lot more about colours, but a great book for a lot of pigeon information spot on tam,it includes the recessive/dilute colours also ,lavenders,mosiacs (opal), yellow (cream),grizzle & silvers ( dun)....& as chrissy has said,depends on what colour genes are being carried & if 1,of pair normals is carrying dilute possible for y/bs to turn out dilute ....but as you say that book covers the lot & easy to understand ..........
Guest cloudview Posted February 28, 2008 Report Posted February 28, 2008 went to blackpool show last year 2 well known trade stands both got their facts wrong regarding colours and breeding , don,t get me wrong im no expert but have had pigeons long enough to know what colourd you don,t get first stand ,dark cheq ,sire blue pied , dam blue second stand red pied ,out of two dark cheq pieds , neither of the owners were interested when i pointed this out , iwent back later in the day ,both sold buyer beware also mate of mine bought amealy out of two blue,s nomistake on pedigree on checing with original owner
Guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Posted February 28, 2008 went to blackpool show last year 2 well known trade stands both got their facts wrong regarding colours and breeding , don,t get me wrong im no expert but have had pigeons long enough to know what colourd you don,t get first stand ,dark cheq ,sire blue pied , dam blue second stand red pied ,out of two dark cheq pieds , neither of the owners were interested when i pointed this out , iwent back later in the day ,both sold buyer beware also mate of mine bought amealy out of two blue,s nomistake on pedigree on checing with original owner Whilst I'm sure we all know by now that pedigrees can be falsified,[ basically they can say whatever the seller wants to put on them!] I also know from both personal experience and from speaking to other show fanciers that these colour tables are a rough guide only!!,whilst they might be right most of the time they are by no means 100%. A friend of mine who breeds alot of silvers,creams,mosaics etc has found numerous discrepancies in the colour charts and he has been breeding for 40 years.
ALF Posted February 28, 2008 Report Posted February 28, 2008 I think unless your pairs are in seperate pens and the hens cant get tread by another cock or you get the DNA checked then you can never be sure of the parents of any pigeon thats maybe why we see the odd colours popping up now and again
Guest Posted February 28, 2008 Report Posted February 28, 2008 I think unless your pairs are in seperate pens and the hens cant get tread by another cock or you get the DNA checked then you can never be sure of the parents of any pigeon thats maybe why we see the odd colours popping up now and again That's why mine are kept totally seperate until the eggs are laid,only way to be 100% sure
Guest TAMMY_1 Posted February 28, 2008 Report Posted February 28, 2008 That's why mine are kept totally seperate until the eggs are laid,only way to be 100% sure aye cause i do not want any crosses
Guest cloudview Posted February 28, 2008 Report Posted February 28, 2008 I think unless your pairs are in seperate pens and the hens cant get tread by another cock or you get the DNA checked then you can never be sure of the parents of any pigeon thats maybe why we see the odd colours popping up now and again correct but i know one thing , that day two people were ripped of , through a lack of basic knowledge , what made it worse the red pied was supposed to be a ko nipius , never in the memory of man
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