chocolate meulemans

[swilcox]

Its funney the Gerritson birds in Holland are a little like Busschearts in the UK, they are not so well known outside of there country but they have been terrificaly successful in so many lofts in holland esp from hard 400 miles races as have Jan De Ruiter who had stock going back to Kadet and Benjimen, he was super on the longer 1 day flights esp on big races. In parts of Holland Meulemans are known as good hard 1 day Fond birds yet in the UK some fanciers say they are only speed machine, i think they are good alrounders myself.

[swilcox]

Small is good sometimes.

 

I know Gerard and Ries through Raymond, they seem to have done well with Meulemans x Van Dyck/Koopman?

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

The Meuleman pigeons are good birds, people have done good with them.

 

[swilcox]

Nigel Templer had a cock that was 100% Meuleman, he was a big bugger and had a host of prizes but Niigel always said he was too big, he didnt say that when it won 1st Sect 17th Open NFC Saintes from 400 miles, they come in all shapes

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I found the Meulemans best crossed.

 

Spencer the mother of the pencil (chocolate hen) was bred from two chocolates (90-1790651 x 89-2940369) both beverdams. The sire of the pencil, a pencil himself was bredby Ries and gerard from Kras Bourske 88-6699506 x Champion(?) 86-501389,

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Nigel Templer had a cock that was 100% Meuleman, he was a big bugger and had a host of prizes but Niigel always said he was too big, he didnt say that when it won 1st Sect 17th Open NFC Saintes from 400 miles, they come in all shapes

 

 

My Meulemans are medium to slightly over medium, and thats as they were in the 70s and 80s, domed heads , no dip between beak and forehead, they have shoulders like an ox and back to match, built to do a job and conform to a certain type.  

 

 

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I found the Meulemans best crossed.

 

Spencer the mother of the pencil (chocolate hen) was bred from two chocolates (90-1790651 x 89-2940369) both beverdams. The sire of the pencil, a pencil himself was bredby Ries and gerard from Kras Bourske 88-6699506 x Champion(?) 86-501389,

 

 

 

the schalwijks have meuleman bloodlines in them as you know, they have quality pigeons as does Herman Beverdam, from Gerard and Reis I have daughters of choco champ, turbo tina, keadet 516 , leon, 3 of these are choclates !!

 

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the schalwijks have meuleman bloodlines in them as you know, they have quality pigeons as does Herman Beverdam, from Gerard and Reis I have daughters of choco champ, turbo tina, keadet 516 , leon, 3 of these are choclates !!

 

any have those ring numbers i posted there? Mine were medium sized, roughly same as the van loons hence why i crossed them.

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any have those ring numbers i posted there? Mine were medium sized, roughly same as the van loons hence why i crossed them.

 

 

not sur e what your asking mick , ref ring numbers sorry can u explain.. thanks

 

 

 

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do any of your birds have those four ring numbers in their peds?

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do any of your birds have those four ring numbers in their peds?

 

i will cross ref for you bare with me ,

 

 

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Hi Mick i cant seem to find those ring numbers on the 2 sites from the gentlemen you mentioned, i do not have my original peds with me mate as i at work, but if you want i can ref check them for you when i get home,

 

do you have anymore info on the ring numbers or parents of, cheers

 

spencer

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Thats all i have to hand, some more in attic but will have to get thru it. The Kras Bourske is a belg pigeon, so assume this is one that Ries and gerard bought in?? The two beverdams i'd of thought would be around a lot of top birds as the descendants of these have bred a lot of winners!!

[BLACK W F]

yes you are right Spencer i have my opinion  yes the jvb where popular in the80sto early 90s and the Janssen cross worked  but lets be honest look at the familys that have used the Janssens  with fantastic success and winning right out to Borges on the day in the UNC   look

at the likes of VILLAGE LAD    LODGE STAR  just 2 for example

not saying the jvb where not good in there day but most guys have moved on to faster familys or brought crosses in

cheers Alan

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Thats all i have to hand, some more in attic but will have to get thru it. The Kras Bourske is a belg pigeon, so assume this is one that Ries and gerard bought in?? The two beverdams i'd of thought would be around a lot of top birds as the descendants of these have bred a lot of winners!!

 

The Beverdam birds are alot in number and most are wonderful producers Mick, but he had so many close to original stuff, i will do some checking for you, as for the kras bourgske, kras is chequer and Bourgske sounds as if she is the line of the old bourgske pigeon.

 

i let you know what i have.

 

thanks spencer

 

 

[Guest KING BILLY]

the meulemans i have got of spencar and beverdam i keep pure and the xs i race have won from 60 ml to 507mls in nw ne sw winds into lanarkshire i will be trying to race sum pure ones this year choc bluepieds and smoky blues and i will keep yous all updated i no this has verey little to do with the coulers befor sumone jumps on it chears TAM

[BLACK W F]

i hope they do well for you billy  the point  i am making is  the Janssens have been the most succesful family ever and thats fact   by the way  borges is 580 ml into NEWCASTLE  lodge star  through the lines of double UNC  VILLAGE LAD  and both plenty other turns in top competition and both broven producers   thats PURE CLASS

cheers Alan

[NW USA]

Great depth of knowledge concerning this family Spencer.  Do you run a breeding/stud for sales business? Do you also race?

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i hope they do well for you billy  the point  i am making is  the Janssens have been the most succesful family ever and thats fact   by the way  borges is 580 ml into NEWCASTLE  lodge star  through the lines of double UNC  VILLAGE LAD  and both plenty other turns in top competition and both broven producers   thats PURE CLASS

cheers Alan

 

But are not janssens a mixture too? I saw some birds the other day and they were direct Janssens bros from only a few years back, and nothing like what i'd seen before (including the mighty ARJAN), and i would not of given a tenner each for them, and not bred that prolofic either.

 

 

[BLACK W F]

mickb there are good and bad depends who you get them off  and how far removed

there are many winning out of turn with them you cannot knock results

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mickb there are good and bad depends who you get them off  and how far removed

there are many winning out of turn with them you cannot knock results

 

No doubting that, don't think it matters how far they removed if they winning. But the janssens i remember you can spot a mile off, some still have families of them and all like peas in a pod, others not so much and resemble nothing like the old janssens, and maybe not really janssens either!!

 

 

[Guest KING BILLY]

roland janssen is another example i havent sen them doing anthing in the big races defnetly not in the west of scotland anyway but time will tell

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roland janssen is another example i havent sen them doing anthing in the big races defnetly not in the west of scotland anyway but time will tell

 

Roland janssens and Silver shadow janssens, why are they still called janssens? Surely crossed, but if they were crossed with " Van Bloggs" then why not cal them Roland van Bloggs, becuase don't sell as well!!

[BLACK W F]

the Roland Janssens are sprinters mate it will take time with them  and they will probally need a cross but time will tell   and they are not janssens bros birds

cheers Alan

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Great depth of knowledge concerning this family Spencer.  Do you run a breeding/stud for sales business? Do you also race?

 

I do not run a stud, and i have not raced over last 2-3 seasons as changed address and relocated same number of times, i also have 2 young children who are very demanding and need to have my attention most days, the last season i raced i won 50% of races entered and finished out of the prizes once taking pools on occassions, this with a team of 5 hens only.