gangster Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 so realistically unless either dna test or single breeding pens its quite feasable that some winners could be not from the sire claimed???.....ive no knowledge of eyes so its not a dig...
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 i take that you aint got a clue , when does the young birds eye change in colour ? the eye continuly changes in a full colour eye a yearlings eye can get better as say a 4 year old but if took two pictures one as yealing one as 4 year old of same eye they'd be different , spouting half baked facts thats your perogative been more factual is mine ;-) You sir can deduct from it whatever you wish. I shall remain within my rights to think as I please. best wishes spencer
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 so realistically unless either dna test or single breeding pens its quite feasable that some winners could be not from the sire claimed???.....ive no knowledge of eyes so its not a dig... thats correct Mick thats why i only ever buy hens in as there true line of herritage is from the dam unless each pair has its own flyte or each cock has 3 or more hens on bull this is one of the reasons i wont right a pedigree out as i think its more honest to breed good birds than a jumped up piece of paper unless as stated above seperate breeding pens
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 this comment is false as Sperm live inside the he upto 21 days after insemination. so your guess is a guess and guess who the sire is, the only way i think this can be determined is through an eye examination to trace genetic reading of the eye. hope this helps please explain as i wish to share in this great knowledge as im baffled to know as ive had same eyed parents breed different eyes and two dif eyed parents breed totaly different eyes :-/ so as far as proof is concerned i think you have none and are left with no evidencial proof so now wont tell , but you did say it can be done and i fear it cant for the reasons i have given
BLACK W F Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 LOOKS LIKE OLDYELLOW IS RIGHT WELL DONE MARK AND THANKS FOR THE INFO MAY BE THATS WHY THE BIG STUDS HAVE SINGLE FLIGHTS CHEERS ALAN
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 LOOKS LIKE OLDYELLOW IS RIGHT WELL DONE MARK AND THANKS FOR THE INFO MAY BE THATS WHY THE BIG STUDS HAVE SINGLE FLIGHTS CHEERS ALAN everydays a school day Allan even i dont know everything ;-) but what little i do know ill openly share to keep this great sport going
Guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 theres sibbling test out now as Dna testing has somewhat come on leaps and bounds , so it still is possible ;-) Cheers and as Oldyellow says you can not determine by the eye.
gangster Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 LOOKS LIKE OLDYELLOW IS RIGHT WELL DONE MARK AND THANKS FOR THE INFO MAY BE THATS WHY THE BIG STUDS HAVE SINGLE FLIGHTS CHEERS ALAN even though said stud had these why refuse a test paid for by the fancier himself 2 determine true parentage...im i right in thinking they may have had something 2 hide???
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 i think Taylors loft of someone like Jack Barkel will know more about eyes i stil know a few basics which i mean to brush up again , but as i like colour birds and can determine colours from parings the best eyesign men can do near same with eye breeding and breed the colour eyes they wish some by deselection some by selction ;-)
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 even though said stud had these why refuse a test paid for by the fancier himself 2 determine true parentage...im i right in thinking they may have had something 2 hide??? i cant see why anyone would refuse such a test well the hen be 100% the dam but the sire may not so at least one could be determined by Dna and any man of his word would allow ;-)
BLACK W F Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 yes Mark it would be sad world if we where not learning and shareing with each other as i only know 1 person who said they new it all i said they where big headed and the wife replied get it right i used to be know i am perfect lol yes Mick your spot on with the single flights cheers Alan
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 yes Mark it would be sad world if we where not learning and shareing with each other as i only know 1 person who said they new it all i said they where big headed and the wife replied get it right i used to be know i am perfect lol yes Mick your spot on with the single flights cheers Alan i mentioned the breeding flytes first ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) , aye reminds me this joke : For sale Entire Encylopedia britanica hardly used full set , reason for sale is i've just got married and wife knows f-ing everything ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
pjc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Spot on with your comments Mark. If spending large money on birds and you want specific blood any stud should be happy to allow a DNA test unless they have something to hide!
BLACK W F Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 aye nee chance of winning with wife mark
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 aye nee chance of winning with wife mark i did i got a divorce x2 ;D ;D ;D ;D
BLACK W F Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 i might not win but have a good time winding her up then fine excuse to go down to the pub lol
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 i might not win but have a good time winding her up then fine excuse to go down to the pub lol i've noticed during a small argument they winge and nag on but if you realy try and have a real argument they wont speak to you fer whole day its worth the peace and quite to go that extra yard ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Blue Chequer Pied Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 i've noticed during a small argument they winge and nag on but if you realy try and have a real argument they wont speak to you fer whole day its worth the peace and quite to go that extra yard ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Like yor train of thought, could work on here or maybe it has think you have cracked it. Paul.
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Like yor train of thought, could work on here or maybe it has think you have cracked it. Paul. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D any way enough of the other sex might get a slap ;-) please stay on topic ;-) who's the daddy ??????
pjc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Well from some earlier posts i know who ain't!! ,
OLDYELLOW Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Well from some earlier posts i know who ain't!! , twiddles thumbs ..................... whistles a while , been an intresting thread but still never heard of this guarenteed eye theory :X :X :X
Jack Barkel Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Hello All, I have been requested to add my input to this discussion. I must say that I believe the only way to know for sure who is the sire is by DNA testing, as stipulated by Old Yellow. I have studied eyes for 60 or more years and believe there is no way to see in the eye who is the father, although the eye can tell you sometimes who is not the father. I am willing to be put to the test on what I believe, and I say, if a person insists their method is a big secret, have the courage of conviction and prove they know what they are writing about, by explaining their deductions, otherwise be expected to be regarded as under a misapprehension. Regards to All, Jack jackbarkel@mweb.co.za http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/jackbarkel
pjc Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Hello All, I have been requested to add my input to this discussion. I must say that I believe the only way to know for sure who is the sire is by DNA testing, as stipulated by Old Yellow. I have studied eyes for 60 or more years and believe there is no way to see in the eye who is the father, although the eye can tell you sometimes who is not the father. I am willing to be put to the test on what I believe, and I say, if a person insists their method is a big secret, have the courage of conviction and prove they know what they are writing about, by explaining their deductions, otherwise be expected to be regarded as under a misapprehension. Regards to All, Jack jackbarkel@mweb.co.za http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/jackbarkel Hi Jack, Glad you've chipped in on here with your knowledge and experience and in my opinion you are correct although family traits are clear within the eye do you not agree? Phil
Blue Chequer Pied Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Hello All, I have been requested to add my input to this discussion. I must say that I believe the only way to know for sure who is the sire is by DNA testing, as stipulated by Old Yellow. I have studied eyes for 60 or more years and believe there is no way to see in the eye who is the father, although the eye can tell you sometimes who is not the father. I am willing to be put to the test on what I believe, and I say, if a person insists their method is a big secret, have the courage of conviction and prove they know what they are writing about, by explaining their deductions, otherwise be expected to be regarded as under a misapprehension. Regards to All, Jack jackbarkel@mweb.co.za http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/jackbarkel Good comment Mr Barkel. I attended a genetics seminar and what i remember of the genetic traits of eyes is that you can tell who the father is not in some cases as you state. There are colours that are dominant over others and there are recessive traits etc it is a study in itself. Two eyes of a certain colour cannot breed an eye of another colour but dont ask me to quote which is which as I cannot remember and would not like to claim knowledge without firm foundations I had a look at the birds on your website and I think there are some magnificent specimens and some top quality eyes on them. All the best, Paul.
Guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Posted March 30, 2009 Well the day i stop learning is the day i will be buried!
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