whose the sire??

[OLDYELLOW]

Hello All,

 

I have been requested to add my input to this discussion. I must say that I believe the only way to know for sure who is the sire is by DNA testing, as stipulated by Old Yellow.

 

I have studied eyes for 60 or more years and believe there is no way to see in the eye who is the father, although the eye can tell you sometimes who is not the father.

 

I am willing to be put to the test on what I believe, and I say, if a person insists their method is a big secret, have the courage of conviction and prove they know what they are writing about, by explaining their deductions, otherwise be expected to be regarded as under a misapprehension.

 

Regards to All,

 

Jack

jackbarkel@mweb.co.za

http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/jackbarkel

 

i dropped Jacks name as i know hes second to non when comes to eyes from proof of others i have seen for myself ;-) i would like to of known him better , his knowledge is vast but have conversed on a few occasions ;-) good to see your input Jack , it's guys like Jack that are pioneers for our great sport , his knowledge is the greatest input and a true gentleman of our sport and truely has my uttmost respect  

[Blue Chequer Pied]

 

i dropped Jacks name as i know hes second to non when comes to eyes from proof of others i have seen for myself ;-) i would like to of known him better , his knowledge is vast but have conversed on a few occasions ;-) good to see your input Jack , it's guys like Jack that are pioneers for our great sport , his knowledge is the greatest input and a true gentleman of our sport and truely has my uttmost respect  

 

Here Here !  

[BLACK W F]

Agree with oldyellows comments although never met Jack  think he has a lot of knowledge

that we could all benefit from

cheers Alan

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Here Here !  

 

wonder if i can have a pair of Extreme Blues now    only joking ;-) ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Vic]

Has any body ever seen, yellow or green in  (let's say Pearl eyed pigeons)?

[pjc]

how do you mean Vic?

You mean other than the colour you would expect to see in a pearl eye?

[BLACK W F]

well with my racers i like only  birds with 2 eyes  not bothered with stock as long as they do the buisness  lol cheers Alan

[pjc]

well with my racers i like only  birds with 2 eyes  not bothered with stock as long as they do the buisness  lol cheers Alan

 

oh, theres always one!!!

 

 

[Blue Chequer Pied]

 

oh, theres always one!!!

 

 

As long as its in the stock loft and not a racer   ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Vic]

Has any body ever seen, yellow or green in  (let's say Pearl eyed pigeons)?

   Some of my old family would only breed pearl eyed (based) colours, with the odd violet showing now and then, not a very common occurence though!

 

 

[pjc]

surely pearl is a dilute violet?

[Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS]

shrinking violets.... what a lovely flower , anyone going to flower show this year .?

[joe61]

i might go as its up the road from me

 

oh happy days

[Guest Vic]

surely pearl is a dilute violet?

    Never said it wasn't.

 

[Blue Chequer Pied]

shrinking violets.... what a lovely flower , anyone going to flower show this year .?

 

Yes I might give it a go. I have been told I need to get in touch with my feminine side  

 

Paul.  

[pjc]

    Never said it wasn't.

 

 

hence the reason your pearles threw the odd violet!

 

[budgie]

The one thing in Life you can be sure about is your Maw, yer Da well could be anyone.If the one that is fertile and scores i am quite sure you will find a Da for it. ;)

[jimmy white]

just been reading the inputs,,most are  very interesting indeed, very good inputs  by  old yellow and jack barkell , and some  others,, at  least  if their in single pens , there seems no doubt there,,    d n a  no doubt again,  but very expensive,very  interesting indeed  by jack barkell, you can tell by the eye , whose  not, the father , but not who is the father,, all very interesting stuff  indeed   thanks all for your inputs

[blaz]

jimmy i can tell you that the egg is fertilized the day before laying FACT. If you send all your cocks on a friday night to a race and the hens have all laid one egg on the friday  and its a hold over, you  mark the first egg, THE SECOND EGG WILL BE CLEAR/NOT FERTILIZED. try it and you will see .

 

if this is the case how come when you have a cock on the bull system that you let the hen beside her own cock when she lays her 1st egg .so both of them sit the eggs. i think thats what you do i might be wrong

[jimmy white]

 

if this is the case how come when you have a cock on the bull system that you let the hen beside her own cock when she lays her 1st egg .so both of them sit the eggs. i think thats what you do i might be wrong

 

think you might  thave something here blaz :-/ :-/ :-/ with due  respect to hotrod, ive had a cock on the bull  system,,, left the hen after laying first egg,then leaving on its own,,, both fertilizied?? in fact have 4 eggs from the same cock under foster parents,now,,, look  to  be full, :)  the plot thickens ;D ;D ;D,,, im more confused now than i was in the first post  :-/ :-/ :-/ [allthough thats not very hard ;D]

[blaz]

if you take in to acount the time it take the eggs to form in side the hen. treded on friday egg on sunday .wee yellow yb 18 days later and thats no yoke

[jimmy white]

if you take in to acount the time it take the eggs to form in side the hen. treded on friday egg on sunday .wee yellow yb 18 days later and thats no yoke

 

eggsactly ;D ;D ;D,,, but a very interesting thread

[jimmy white]

jimmy i can tell you that the egg is fertilized the day before laying FACT. If you send all your cocks on a friday night to a race and the hens have all laid one egg on the friday  and its a hold over, you  mark the first egg, THE SECOND EGG WILL BE CLEAR/NOT FERTILIZED. try it and you will see .

 

i must say  havent found this  to be the case, :-/ ;  :-/,i have found  both  eggs are in fact fertilized by the same cock,, but for some reason , a different cock treads a hen b4 the second egg is fertilized inside the bird,, the new,  stronger sperm will be the one that fertilizes the egg ,, maybe im wrong,, , but at least  were blethering about the birds   better that way [maybe some of the politicians would be better answering ;D]